Fedora and Mandriva Linux delivering

rpm · Aug 31, 2009

Fedora, Mandriva delivering Linux goods

Ubuntu Linux may get most of the attention but Mandriva and Fedora Linux are pushing the Linux desktop forward more than most

blaaislaai · Aug 31, 2009

Impressive, But it still does'nt have what the user want! More user friendliness without the need for konsole/terminal.

When they can eliminate that, then more people would use linux
imo

cavedog · Aug 31, 2009

blaaislaai said:
Impressive, But it still does'nt have what the user want! More user friendliness without the need for konsole/terminal.

When they can eliminate that, then more people would use linux
imo

Yes for sure. linux is so complicated I can bearly differ ubuntu from fedora or mandriva or even linux mint.

One very impressive linux is
ultimate edition

http://ultimateedition.info/

WOW what a piece of work!

blaaislaai · Aug 31, 2009

Ultimate is awesome because lots of repositories/packages are included on the DVD.

Linux is not really complicated, its just difficult for a windows user to immediately start using linux, in my experience.

They basically just need to make it more user-friendly as possible, thats the main issue here.

Bismuth · Aug 31, 2009

cavedog said:
Yes for sure. linux is so complicated I can bearly differ ubuntu from fedora or mandriva or even linux mint.

One very impressive linux is
ultimate edition

http://ultimateedition.info/

WOW what a piece of work!

Yes it is!.

You do know it's Ubuntu Linux with a ton of extra software already downloaded, and some tweaks as well if i remember correctly?.

B

cavedog · Aug 31, 2009

Yes I know. but its tweak in such a way that I liked it the way I installed it. I didn't need to customise ultimate edition in any way.

One thing linux can fix is the Graphics drivers. its complicated to install.

redarrow · Aug 31, 2009

blaaislaai said:
Impressive, But it still does'nt have what the user want! More user friendliness without the need for konsole/terminal.

When they can eliminate that, then more people would use linux
imo

The terminal will never be removed from Linux.

That would be a terrible mistake.

I've never really understood why terminals scare people so much?

.. It's just a prompt, you type something and get a response.

Oweee *panic* OH NOEZ ITS teh rocketry science .. *brain explosion*

Well to the point, you don't need to use the terminal these days if you don't want to..

Personally I use the terminal loads, not because I have to but because I want to..

milomak · Aug 31, 2009

the day they remove the terminal is the day linux loses its soul.

i find it so much easier and faster than using graphical tools.

adrianx · Aug 31, 2009

Red Hat is the largest corporate sponsor of the Linux kernel.

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27089/1090/

I will always use more than one distro at any given time, but Fedora is what I'm most comfortable with. It is ironic that I have better multimedia support in Fedora than in Jaunty. In Fedora, at least, I don't have to switch off Compiz just so that I can watch video. I also have some Flash files that will simply not play in Jaunty, but in Fedora they play perfectly (even with desktop effects enabled).

Anyway, I don't mind if the "hordes" don't flock to Linux. As far as I'm concerned, it should never try to be Windows. The day they kill the command line is the day I find another OS.

blaaislaai · Aug 31, 2009

Yeah but what I mean is, in most cases you need the terminal to setup some aspects of linux so it can function like the way you want it to work.

by default Samba is not configured to start sharing files on the network.
Another concern, In Ubuntu, ( not sure about mandriva) when you dial in with PPPOE, you lose connectivity on your LAN. Terminal commands are once again needed to fix it.

I really like command line stuff, I have no problem with it. My previous post is meant for the noob people that dont know linux at all. It would be nice if they can make linux easier for them.

Linux will then become more popular!

milomak · Aug 31, 2009

adrianx said:
Anyway, I don't mind if the "hordes" don't flock to Linux. As far as I'm concerned, it should never try to be Windows. The day they kill the command line is the day I find another OS.

a view shared by many fellow linux enthusiasts

Toby · Aug 31, 2009

Have you tried any variant of Windows Server 2008

blaaislaai said:
Impressive, But it still does'nt have what the user want! More user friendliness without the need for konsole/terminal.

When they can eliminate that, then more people would use linux
imo

Yup, and then you have bloatware
Why does Windows 2008 Server perform like it does. Load just the core at install, then use the terminal/command line to add and configure what you need

cavedog · Aug 31, 2009

It would be cool if ubuntu make something like Ubuntu noob or Linux Noob.

Something that includes good guides for a new guy. Windows was easy to learn. I mean you download a .exe and double click on it and it works.

With linux you need to stop x-server and run this and that to get nvidia drivers working. That is not cool. That is the only thing stopping me from using linux sortoff.

extremist · Aug 31, 2009

Not to sound like an Ubuntu fanboy...

BUT none of those features sound like they push the envelope in terms of Linux desktop computing.

Plymouth is bling (which I'd love to have, but I'm not switching distros for it). Netprofile is a nifty feature not even bundled with Windows - you need 3rd party (typically laptop vendor-supplied) apps for network settings profile support. But once again NetworkManager does what I need there. Setting up a mobile broadband connection in GNOME with NM is already dead easy, so I can wait for the new NM as well. Virtualisation (i.e. KVM) isn't a feature the average desktop user is concerned about.

Amongst other things (such as the good points mentioned earlier in the thread), desktop Linux needs further usability improvements to it's office suite offering(s). OOo's interface is beginning to look dated and for all the awesome features it has, it really lacks in other areas (Calc's graphing is pretty basic, for instance). Distros should also really bundle some decent template packs (and clip art) with a stock deployment to make OOo seem less budget.

Also, the day some genius works out a way to play just-released "Games for Windows" games on Linux is the day I break my Windows disc.

adrianx · Aug 31, 2009

At the risk of sounding like a Red Hat fanboy

, here is a list of contributions that benefit everyone.... more than just bling.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions

For those poor souls that are "international bandwidth" impaired, here's just a small part of the list:

Desktop Software

* Firefox: we added support for the GTK+ and GTK+2 toolkits. Pango support, GNOME Integration. Current upstream contributions include security patches, and co-ownership of various linux-specific pieces of the project.

* gnome.org infrastructure, hosting and bandwidth

* Plymouth: graphical boot system

* pango: originally written and maintained

* glib, gtk+: most primary maintainers and developer work

* metacity: written and maintained

* nautilus: co-maintained

* gnome-panel: co-maintained

* gnome-session: maintained

* vte: written and maintained

* cairo: written (employee) and maintained

* pixman: maintained

* gconf: written and maintained

* dbus: written (employee) and maintained

* DeviceKit: written and maintained

* hal: written (employee) and maintained

* Avahi: maintained

* PulseAudio: maintained

* gnome-keyring: written and maintained

* gnome control-center: co-maintained

* evince: written and maintained

* NetworkManager: written and maintained

* ["OpenOffice.org"] : fontconfig font/glyph fallback, headless plugin, xdg-userdirs, email-mailmerge backend, MSWord 2.0 filter, gcj port of Java dependencies, ppc64 port, co-author on gnome dialogs, x86_64 port, ...

* vino: written and maintained

* gnome-menus: written and maintained

* sabayon: written

* dogtail - UI automation and testing framework

* Xorg: major contributions and maintenance.

* AIGLX : Compositing desktop framework.

* virt-manager: written and maintained

...

zamicro · Aug 31, 2009

blaaislaai said:
Impressive, But it still does'nt have what the user want! More user friendliness without the need for konsole/terminal.

When they can eliminate that, then more people would use linux
imo

My 4 year old is using linux as if he owns it. (And I am not worried, because I know he cannot damage it) I cannot say the same of windows... Perhaps it is not a case of user-friendliness, but rather a case of what the user is used to...

ponder · Aug 31, 2009

blaaislaai said:
Impressive, But it still does'nt have what the user want! More user friendliness without the need for konsole/terminal.

You touch my terminal I keeel you!

I actually find the terminal user friendly, different strokes for different folks.

milomak · Aug 31, 2009

zamicro said:
My 4 year old is using linux as if he owns it. (And I am not worried, because I know he cannot damage it) I cannot say the same of windows... Perhaps it is not a case of user-friendliness, but rather a case of what the user is used to...

this is exactly it

zamicro · Aug 31, 2009

blaaislaai said:
by default Samba is not configured to start sharing files on the network.

By default file sharing is not enabled in windows as well...

blaaislaai said:
Another concern, In Ubuntu, ( not sure about mandriva) when you dial in with PPPOE, you lose connectivity on your LAN. Terminal commands are once again needed to fix it.

I have no such problem with Fedora

blaaislaai said:
Linux will then become more popular!

Linux will always be different, just like Vista was different. There will always be a learning curve. If the user is not willing to learn the differences, then the user will have to stay using what they are using. (I take my dad as well as my brother-in-law for example. The latter removed Vista, and went back to XP, just because he was not willing to learn about the new ways to do old tasks. My dad is using Vista, but I still need to help him a lot, with things he used to do himself when using XP)

zamicro · Aug 31, 2009

cavedog said:
It would be cool if ubuntu make something like Ubuntu noob or Linux Noob.

Something that includes good guides for a new guy. Windows was easy to learn. I mean you download a .exe and double click on it and it works.

With linux you need to stop x-server and run this and that to get nvidia drivers working. That is not cool. That is the only thing stopping me from using linux sortoff.

In linux you can also double click an exacutable file to run it. I think this is more an issue with Nvidia. They can change their installer to automate these tasks for you. (I went through the same issue recently when I upgraded to Fedora 11, but when I did a clean install of Fedora 10 previously I had no such issues)

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