Feedback on The Meeting With Sentech?

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the enemy of your enemy is your friend

consider those who went to the meeting your enemies for withholding information for a while till they get their facts straight, but remember, they're still sentech's enemy

i love referring to noone in 3rd person... [:p]

Hell, my gran on a scooter with a memory stick is faster than Sentech's MyWireless!
 

kickass72za

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Loneguman you have ranted all over this forum repeatedly...... Guess what i repeatedly sent you email off the forum, and left messages on the forum for you to contact me.... YOU DIDN'T

So personally you can carry on your "LONE" crusade.... writing pages of complaints very elegantly!!!!

For everyone else.... yes guys we met with SENTECH. We will give you feedback shortly!! WHY you are probably asking is it taking so long, well if we want the communication channel and honesty we have generated with them to continue, WE HAVE TO ACT RESPONSIBLY TOO.

In a nutshell, i think we can all aggree that local is a lot better (as stated elsewhere in this forum) and international is an issue. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT......

We are doing this for the BETTERMENT OF ALL. ( right now i have a whopping 3K connection and am not happy) but if we just carry on bitching and moaning we might aswell all go off to TELKOM.

We want to get what we are paying for and SENTECH wants to deliver a great package... so for us to achieve that we have to work with them and ensure that what we get is what we expect.

Everyone has the right to do what they want to regarding the future..... the differance is some of us have chosen this path, and hopefully we will have success for all.

Just NB that at anytime we can walk away from communicating with SENTECH, and they know that too, but right now we have more chance of getting users feelings accross by engaging them.
 

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Must say, I support LoneGunman. Unfortunately, I've been away on contract for the last 2 weeks on contract in the UK and just getting used to a 30 Pound a month 2 MB link, using MyWireless again was like...well, lets not say more about that.

The fact that things are still not fixed after how many promises - a public meeting should not sway the community, in fact, now I really wish to cancel more than ever. It's a cr@p service and they have made way to many broken proken promises now.

Enough is enough.

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Scarface

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Sentech must be laughing..."divide and conquer" strategy here

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Scarface</i>
<br />The fact that things are still not fixed after how many promises - a public meeting should not sway the community, in fact, now I really wish to cancel more than ever. It's a cr@p service and they have made way to many broken proken promises now.
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Exactly. They're still breaking promises, they're still lying at the call center, and now they want to use this meeting to create a feel-good press release to try repair their public image <i>before they even fix the service properly</i>. This meeting is ONLY about 'damage control' and 'spin' to Sentech, and the proof of that is, well, if they actually just wanted to fix the problems, they could have done it already BY THEMSELVES, no need for a meeting. Don't think that this meeting is anything more to Sentech than a premise to put out a positive press release implying everything is 'great now' with the previously unhappy customers.

If I could make one suggestion to ensure that Sentech "means it": I say hold off on the feel-good "joint press release" until the service is working as it should be.

And with all due respect, kickass72za, we're under no obligation to "act responsibly" as long as we are paying customers getting a lousy service. They way you put it implies that irresponsible forumite behaviour has CAUSED Sentech to be unable to fix the problems, which is utter rubbish. Sentech MUST fix the problems regardless of how we behave, so long as it is legal. Quite frankly after the shocking ongoing behaviour of Sentech for the past several months, I think it's downright insulting to suddenly go around accusing forumites of behaving irresponsibly as if WE are the ones who are preventing Sentech from fixing their service. And as for the "they're working on it", well, we've been hearing that for months too.
 

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I agree with Regardt, there was quite a lot of information exchanged at the meeting, and it is important to feed it back in a complete manner, rather than piecemeal. LG, the war is definitely not over and the people that attended the meeting are in no way now some pro-Sentech 5th column. (Sentech is under no illusions, believe me!) But please don't confuse tactics and strategy: our strategy should always be to take action to get the service that we require, tactics that can be adopted include out-and-out "war" on Sentech, but also sometimes "peaceful" negotiation. Our aggressive action in the past has forced Sentech into the position where they have no choice but to confront these issues directly and now we need to leverage that as much as possible. Please be patient for 24 hours (or so), so that the minutes of the meeting can be assembled, and confirmed by all the attendees. There is also a bit of technical info that we have received which needs to be investigated.

EDIT1: If you want to cancel, then do so, it's your right. I'm pretty close to doing that myself, and some of the others who attended are also I'm sure. But don't threaten to cancel just 'cos you feel aggrieved that you are out of the loop for 36 hours...jeez we've all been out of the loop for four months![;)]

EDIT2: At no stage has anyone agreed to issue a joint press release with Sentech. It was suggested by Sentech, and the response was a deafening silence followed by a "...well let's wait and see." Nobody is under any illusions that Sentech would want to put some spin on this meeting, and a <i>joint</i> press release may be a way of countering that spin as we would have input...but let's wait 'n see.


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Wow, quieten down children. From the sounds of things this is the pre school forum, not the sentech forum!!! You are moaning and moaning. Fine some of you don't like sentech, some do, some will reserve their opinion, FINE!!! But LG all you do is complain about it, every one knows you hate the service, so why post the same thing every day 25 times. A sollution is being made deal with it. If you don't believe it sue them and get out of your contract but stop fighting with the people who are trying to make it better for EVERY ONE ELSE!!!!!!!

If i was any one of the members that went to the meeting i would be about to say F it, you go to sentech and sort it out. They keep saying they will make a post with the details but every one is being so impatient. As it has been said ALL WILL BE REVEALED. Do you really think that in one day, one meeting, they went from completly irrate to I love sentech. I doubt it but odviously plans where spoken of and untill you hear them stop whinning. This forum should be about info and help and a good reference guide, instead most of you have turned it into your own stress ball and just complain and complain and argue. Is that gonna help the situation. I don't think so!!! Why not just wait for them to make their post, read it and understand that they are trying to make things better for you, the ungratefull mass!!!

There is no peace without war!!!
 

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well I think we're all just a little high strung...

sentech have chosen to listen to a select few and we should understand why sentech have chosen to do this is because they are feeling their nuts being squeezed...

This is a positive because it is those who attended the meeting that initiated this nut squeezing in the first place... and if I were in the meeting I too would have chosen a more constructive approach rather then flail and scream...

Its the waiting game that has its highs n lows...

I will just say this again: Dont sellout to them bastards... not assuming you are...

Until then I have been downloading Windows Service Pack 2 on Mywireless 128K... there's the real waiting game ;-)
 

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Mister Lonely Gunman. If you had bothered to get as involved in the process as you have bothered in writing pagelong diatribes, then perhaps you wouldn't feel this way. You were invited. You have only yourself to blame.

1. This is the first time any of us have been able to constructively engage with Sentech.
2. It wasn't left open for everyone as there is naturally a requirement not to have everyone lynching each other, and it was also a starting point without much formalized.
3. Yes, a lot was discussed and a lot was not resolved. That's just the reality.

Go and try do something like this with Telkom, and you'll understand that this is actually a positive step. It's the FIRST positive step in terms of behaviour that we've seen from Sentech's side. Whether the service has improved or not - is still a consumer issue, and as anyone here I cannot say I'm happy with the service. It might all prove to be too little too late.

They know that. And they're working on it. I'm not happy with the fact that they're still working on THEIR problems after 4 months either.

The basic question question you have to ask yourself is "What do you want to do?". Scrape up some courage and go cancel? The general feeling is that they won't even ask why. Alternatively, if that's not what you want to do, then go insist on a rebate for the poor performance... And if THAT STILL doesn't suit you then you're just going to have to grin and bear it.

You have options. Now excercise them. It's a free-ish country you know...

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Oh my goodness. Stop Hostilities? Work Together? Issue a Joint Press Release? I feel a group hug coming on.

This is a very simple "classic" strategy (I forget the exact name) that is part of Organisational Behaviour 101 that constitutes typically part of any MBA program. It is designed to (for one) solve exactly the PR problem that Sentech has with a small portion of their client base - the "power" user that finds their service unacceptable. Engage them on a personal level. Make them feel that they are an important part of the solution. Share some "in-house" information with them. This might even cause some dissent in their ranks - the hawks and doves will start fighting. Exactly what we're seeing in this thread. The end effect is that you can weaken their resolve and so dilute the PR problem. For a time anyway.

If one looks at this from Sentech's point of view, their typical customer, that doesn't do P2P, doesn't care about pings or latency or BER or packet loss, and doesn't know the difference between Kb and KB, is in general quite happy with their service. So why go and spend millions of Rand to fix a problem that only affects a very small portion of the user base. It doesn't make any business sense. Rather find another strategy. Get rid of the (minor) PR problem and everything will be OK. Or at least stall for time and people will forget the "small" bit of negative press that happened over the last while.

I'm sorry but I really don't trust the Sentech management after the behaviour I've seen over the past few months. A leopard doesn't change it's spots so quickly. Technically it's not all that difficult to solve the international BW problem - just buy more bandwidth. But financially it's not so simple - you start cutting into your profits. And why, just to keep a few techies happy? No way. But OK, I'll wait for the summary of the meeting before continuing with my diatribe.

I didn't count the words of this post - I hope it's not more than 1000. BTW I support LGM and not those that want to shut him up.
 

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Then why is LG so quiet suddenly? Look, if you think they managed to make TheRoDent to become pro-Sentech well good luck to you. Jeez nobody is now in bed with Sentech or anything. You werent there so you dont know what was said. We were not as "nice" as you think. We cant remember everything so we would rather publish a transcript or something rather than just make statements.

One LAST thing. If you hear us saying "Sentech are working on this". Please excuse us - we have hope. I, in my personal capacity, feel that they arent or wont change their policy re:bandwith just yet. This requires more pressure on them from our put. And they will only listen if we play fair (not that we have been given any rules or ultimatums) which is what WE SAID FROM THE START. Its not better no. In fact I had some 4 hours offline just last night. You cannot expect things to change overnight (I mean do you even work overnight over weekends-probably not). We are still disgruntled users. Thats the bottom line.

<font size="1"><center>** still capped at <b>48kbps</b> and who knows for how long ** <font color="green"> proof </font id="green"></center></font id="size1">
 

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I'm with Lonegunman on this. As I write this I'm on the same international bandwidth cap on a 256k package as is on the 128k package and wondering what the hell I'm paying for. It's been a while since the meeting now - so where's the summary of what was discussed?

Sorry I didn't even know there was a meeting and probably wouldn't have been able to attend anyway. In any case, I just don't buy the line that there was "secret" information discussed and we must work together with them.

Here's the acid test for me - if you follks have open communication channels now and Sentech is honestly prepared to make an effort to resolve the issues, please can someone explain this 48kbps international cap and why it's the same on all packages, and preferrably do something about it?

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I agree with LG that Sentech cannot be trusted with what they say - look how many promised deadlines have passed and not been met. I definitely think that no joint press release should be issued, and if one is being considered by the representatives who attended the meeting, they should at least first hold a poll on the forum to obtain consensus before doing so.
 

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I am only concerned about one thing. In the last sentech press release they had this to say about International Bandwidth:

"International access bandwidth cannot be guaranteed and is, therefore, still regarded as best-effort access."

I am just wanting to know from Sentech... or anyone who has spoken to Sentech when this is going to change.
 

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in reality all bandwidth is best effort, in the meeting the reason for this "capping" was made clear and a fix/further information will become available shortly please be patient there are people both at sentech and with CMUG working on getting there ducks in a row and more information to you ...

from the meeting it appears the international capacity is in fact addeqaute but there are problems that can be fixed in a short time frame

once the minutes are drawn up and we all agree on what was accomplished you will get a breakdown
 

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cool as long as I know they are working on it... thats good....

And slightly off topic... Windows XP Service Pack 2 caused no problems incase anyone is worried about installing it..
 

gripen

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basically, its something within the network restricting your/our international speeds (capping etc) and not lack of bandwidth.
we dont know when things will change. so dont look forward to deadlines etc just yet.

<font size="1"><center>** still capped at <b>48kbps</b> and who knows for how long ** <font color="green"> proof </font id="green"></center></font id="size1">
 

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Honestly IMO they have this all strategicly planned, they must be thinking
'oh dang nabbit, the network is down again oh but wait?! we're saving HUGE amounts of money because the 'customers'(slaves?) can only browse at 48kb! Oh what a pity, but dont worry we'll 'fix' things ASAP'
Its quite surprising what people will do for money...
Maybe this is just me but until changes happen, we have to admit we've been losing out for quite some time now and sentech? what have they lost in the past couple months, except our respect? 'nuff said.
 

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I wander if they are capping their Bandwidth cuz yesterday I was jumping from a steady 4-5Kb to a steady 6-7Kb, but then I am not clued with networks.

If it were a simple issue I am sure they would have turned the switch on after all the complaints they have recieved and they wouldnt have bothered meeting with customers on Saturday... But then this is all speculative and the best thing to do is to see what was said in the meeting and I suppose from there we can each decide if we are going to wait for Sentech to finally fix things or move onto the other big devil we have out there for internet
 

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Of course they are working on it, this is a company that released a new product into the market, expected it to make an absolute killing, and after 3 months, made every headline in SA's IT world, repeatedly, and not in a good way.
They want the service to be good, as much as we the users do, although they come from high up in the parastatel world,they do understand certain things, for instance, "A good product will market itself".
Sentech knows this, and hence want/need to make mywireless a KICKASS product, and they also running on a deadline, before vodacom rolls out in december, and iBurst in february.
They as a company must understand that their opening in the market is getting smaller with every day their product gets a bad recommendation.

we as a group of concerned users on MyAdsl ensured that they and the rest of the world knew what trash they were selling us, and KO'd them several times over.
As in any war, violence and rivalry will only lead to a certain point, after which the only way to resolve further is by negotiations, we have suffered casualties from both sides, (we lost our money, and so did sentech!! hehe ...... they also lost their dignity, and respect at the same time)
If we want the service to now improve, it cannot happen without collaboration.
AND I want this service to Work, I will not go back to Telkom ... EVER

What happened on Saturday was a GIANT LEAP, sentech sat down with the same people that started POOPBAND, SentechSucks, FsckSentech. These same people that went on a WarDrive to prove publicly what sentechs service is all about, the same people that publicised the open proxy debacle, MASS Mailed every sentech subscriber (twice)

Now, all you people out here talking about how soft they have gone, and that they've been lied to, that they were part of Sentechs marketing ploy, SHAME ON YOU!!!!

yes, this will put sentech in good stead with the public, but only if action is gained from it, and if it isn't , Sentech knows the consequence of F'in with this bunch!

For those that think Sentech has done nothing, remember how positive DW was a few weeks back, he was convinced that all their hard work would pay off. Now, we can see, they made a few wrong assumptions, but lets look at the positive steps, EVERYONE now gets equal bandwidth allocations (not much, but its equal), we dont see anymore of the RBAS (Random Bandwidth Allocation Scheme), LOCAL IS FLYING, international needs a lot of work still.
Also local packetloss has stabalised somewhat.

These steps are all moving to a more reliable network, and my fingers are getting sore from typing so much (in the quickreply box)

MORAL OF THE STORY :
VIOLENCE WILL ONLY GET ONE SO FAR
SENTECHS DAYS OF BULLYING US ARE OVER
NOW THEY WORK IN CONJUNCTION with a small group representing our user base
we must try to trust that they have everyones best interests at hand
I'm not telling anyone they must now stop waging war on Sentech, but lets not attack our own people just yet!
 
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