Fibre Authentication

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Hi Guys and Girls,

I used the search function, but cant find what I'm looking for, if it was discussed somewhere can someone please link me.

I am trying to understand the way that Fibre authenticates.

With DSL, he way U understand:

Router connects with PPPoE, gets sent to the DSL at the Exchange via Copper ove the Telephone line, from the exchange, correct me if I'm wrong, gets handed off to the relevant ISP for authentication on their Radius or whatever solution they are using.

With OpenServe and Frogfoot, I understand this works in a similar fashion, however, with VUMA, its different.
This is the way it was explained, which makes very little sense to me:

CPE gets assigned a static IP by VUMA, this Static IP connects to your relevant service providers static IP also assigned to your specific service, and then it authenticates on the ISPs end. So it doesn't use PPPoE, but your router is set to DHCP over Ethernet. I tested this last night, and this is what I set the router to, which then authenticated and I could connect successfully.

I'm trying to understand the Flow, and how it actually works, does it use some sort of NAT or how does it authenticate?

Would this then also mean that, should I change service providers, its actually a change on the Vuma end, to point my service to the new service provider.

What I did with ADSL is, because I was getting throttled on Uncapped accounts, and some ISPs had issues sometimes, I had two or three different DSL Accounts with Different ISPs, when there was an issue with the one ISP, I just changed the UN and PW to the other ISP, and continue working. I also had a Static Public IP, for testing certain stuff. With the VUMA configuration, you cant have a static IP address, nor can I switch ISPs quickly without having to involve the ISP.
 
You are trying to have a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist on fibre.
 
EADC said:
You are trying to have a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist on fibre.
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In terms of having issues with connectivity yes, however, having public IP's for static servers might be a problem. Thats why I am also trying to understand how it works. And for troubleshooting, should I have issues, this would be nice to know.
 
Ok, so fibre networks are broken into two categories:
1. GPON / L2 networks with PPPoE: Here your ONU/CPE is mapped to a specific ISP's VLAN, effectively connecting you to a large point to point network where your CPE is one end and the ISP's access equipment is at the other. ISPs generally use PPPoE to authenticate you and apply various AAA policies to you. Some ISPs use IPoE, though I believe most dropped this. Openserve's network is a more complicated version of the above.

2. Vumatel's L3 (Trenched network): Once again, your Raycore CPE is mapped to a specific ISP's VLAN. Within that VLAN, Vumatel operates a L3 network and assigns DHCP as well as line speed settings. You're still completely on the SP's network though. Traffic is routed from the ISP's core to the Vuma L3 core which acts like the ISP's access network. You're assigned a public IP address from the ISP's IP pool. From there one or two hops back to the ISP's core and out to the internet. There is no authentication required. It's simply DHCP, where 1 public IP is assigned to every CPE. As soon as a device connects to the CPE, that public IP is bound to that MAC address for a short period of time. This isn't a static IP, DHCP leases are just really long for now.

If you change SPs on either network, your CPE/ONT is re-provisioned. So that means no swapping is possible without FNO involvement.
 
@websquadza Are you guys planning on ever offering Openserve? I know everyone including ISP's complain IPC is expensive but how expensive? Does Vumatel and others not charge something similar to IPC because I can't believe they making money just on line rental fees and handing over the traffic to the ISP's network free of charge.
 
@cavedog the short answer is yes, we will.
But I can't discuss commercials or timelines just yet, just it's on the cards in the medium term. Yes, it's publicly known that IPC's high costs are major contributing factor to ISPs avoiding the network. There are similar models in the industry, but none come close in cost, as well as inflexibility, to IPC. Most fibre operators treat the ISP handoff in factors of port size (1G, 10G or more) and/or multiples between at a significantly better rate than OS. IPC doesn't, it's fixed and measured per mbps (in a Gbps+ world) - simply put, it lacks the ability to scale on user demand - which means as a small-medium ISP you're left chasing your tail to ensure any sudden traffic bursts are catered for. In the end, the user suffers. And in a competitive market, money talks, so quality is what seems to give - which we're not prepared to do.
 
Cool Thanks for the detailed response

websquadza said:
Ok, so fibre networks are broken into two categories:
1. GPON / L2 networks with PPPoE: Here your ONU/CPE is mapped to a specific ISP's VLAN, effectively connecting you to a large point to point network where your CPE is one end and the ISP's access equipment is at the other. ISPs generally use PPPoE to authenticate you and apply various AAA policies to you. Some ISPs use IPoE, though I believe most dropped this. Openserve's network is a more complicated version of the above.

2. Vumatel's L3 (Trenched network): Once again, your Raycore CPE is mapped to a specific ISP's VLAN. Within that VLAN, Vumatel operates a L3 network and assigns DHCP as well as line speed settings. You're still completely on the SP's network though. Traffic is routed from the ISP's core to the Vuma L3 core which acts like the ISP's access network. You're assigned a public IP address from the ISP's IP pool. From there one or two hops back to the ISP's core and out to the internet. There is no authentication required. It's simply DHCP, where 1 public IP is assigned to every CPE. As soon as a device connects to the CPE, that public IP is bound to that MAC address for a short period of time. This isn't a static IP, DHCP leases are just really long for now.

If you change SPs on either network, your CPE/ONT is re-provisioned. So that means no swapping is possible without FNO involvement.
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