Fibre internet in Gauteng on Openserve (Telkom) network

Note that Web Africas Midnight to 6 am deal limits you to a fixed amount of data per month. Telkoms Night Surfer is from Midnight to 7am with no limits. So on a 40Mbps line you can do 100GB per night.
 
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Thanks guys. I will keep the updates coming as soon as I get feedback.

Webafrica is tasked with dealing with the FTTH bit. They have already started the process.
If I speak to another useless Telkom "fibre specialist" via phonecall or their online chat I am going to swear at them.
 
I ordered fibre from Webafrica about 10 days ago, for the Faerie Glen area (next to Glen Village, below Olympus). After a brief false start with the wrong address, Telkom showed by yesterday to put the line in. After getting that sorted we realised that the existing hole in the wall to bring the fibre through, so he had to come back today to drill a new one. That went quick and a couple hours later, everything is sorted. Apart from being unable to figure out how to get into this router's admin interface, I'm pretty happy. The speed of getting it all sorted was much better than I'd expected, showing up on a weekend to work is impressive, and performance is exemplary.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/4911341212.png
 
Keeping tabs on WebAfrica throughput, with IPConnect in mind

Since the start of the mass rollout of Telkom's FTTH network early this year, there have been predictions that the problems of exchange congestion and capacity constraints on Telkom's "IPConnect" product (IPC for short) were going to recur, exactly as with ADSL.

With 4 months' experience of WebAfrica's nominal 40Mbps service under the belt, I thought I'd share my impressions so far. Admittedly it's still very early days, but it may be of interest to others wondering about the issue.

As background : Telkom's FTTH service is an alternative type of fixed-line "last mile" connection that - when compared to xDSL - offers higher speeds and better reach, along with several other advantages. Once you're connected into Telkom's backbone, whether by xDSL or FTTH, the next issue is where you get your data services from. If you've signed up with Telkom for those too (ie Telkom is your ISP), then the issue ends there.

However if you've signed up with one of the other ISPs (MWeb, WebAfrica, Vox et al), then there has to be another connection between Telkom's backbone network and your ISP's own infrastructure. This connection is generally done through Telkom's IPC service. IPC is kindofa "clearing house" where ISPs can connect subscribers hanging on one of Telkom's last-mile networks, into their own networks to provide internet services. Effectively the ISPs are paying Telkom for providing individual subscribers with a connection to one of Telkom's last-mile networks, and then paying again for a connection between the Telkom backbone and their own infrastructure.

ISPs have to buy IPC capacity from Telkom (so many Gb/s or Tb/s), and that capacity is shared between all the ISP's subscribers going through that IPC connection. The ISPs have to buy enough IPC capacity so that - on average - their subscribers get the speeds they are paying for.

So when a non-Telkom ISP delivers internet services to a subscriber over one of Telkom's last-mile networks, the main factors limiting the service speed are as follows :
  1. The speed of the access medium used for the subscriber's last-mile connection. This is the "line sync speed" on xDSL (typically 1,2,4,6,10 or 20Mbps) or the fibre line speed on FTTH (typically 2,4,10,20,40 or 100Mbps).
  2. The amount of IPC capacity the ISP has bought from Telkom, and how many people are sharing it at any given moment.
  3. The speed at which the ISP can actually deliver data to the subscriber.

So, the concern about the various ISPs' IPC capacity is a valid one. Back in July this year, Sapphiron gave a very incisive (if somewhat pessimistic) prediction here.

In his opinion piece, Sapphiron makes the following prediction :

Telkom Fibre is not going to solve all the main problems with ADSL. It only solves the problem of the aging copper last mile infrastructure.

This is valid point, though for me - as with many other folks, I suspect - the "aging copper last mile infrastructure" was 90% of the problem. Various ISPs were happy to sell me 4, 6 or even 10Mbps ADSL, but my distance from the exchange and the aged copper infrastructure in my area meant that Telkom simply couldn't deliver more than 2Mbps. With FTTH now being rolled out in earnest, it is starting to become clear whether FTTH has removed that constraint. So now the emphasis will shift to my points (2) and (3) above.

With WebAfrica specifically, I've been keeping a close eye on the average throughput delivered over my nominal 40Mbps FTTH connection over the first 4 months of service. Generally, the downlink speed is always between 37 and 40Mbps, and the uplink speed between 7 and 8Mbps. On a good day, the trusty Speedtest downlink graph looks dead flat, like this :

20151213 WebAfrica good test (Small).JPG

On a not-so-good day (suspected IPC problems), the graph is much lumpier, like this :
20151213_WebAfrica bad test.JPG

Over the first 4 months of service with WebAfrica, and neglecting days when there have been obvious problems with the Telkom FTTH network itself, I think I have probably noted about 10 occasions when the measured throughput has been significantly lower than it should be. These have generally lasted from 1 to 6 hours at a time. Over the last 4 months, my Ookla "average speed" graph has looked as follows:

20151213_WebAfrica 4-month average.JPG
(I hasten to add that the Ookla SpeedTest graph tends to make the situation look much worse than it is, since one only really tests when you remember, or when there is a problem. As such, the horizontal scale doesn't give a good sense of relative durations).

Luckily, even when the service is "limping" along at 10Mbps, I can still do quite a lot. However, for someone contemplating total reliance on the full bandwidth, eg multiple users, high-volume VoIP, video conferencing etc, you definitely want to watch out for this, and perhaps invest in a failover service.

I've been making a point of keeping records and feeding back to WebAfrica when things aren't performing. I'm happy to say that they seem to be monitoring and responding to the situation on the ground quite well, including buying more IPC capacity as it's needed. One of the last communications I had was in mid-November, which included the following :

"The previous [IPC] upgrades in question took place at towards the end of last month [October].
I've received word of the following from our Systems Admin : "We've requested further IPC upgrades from IS for all 3 regions today. ETA's will be provided when available
".

Since that time, I have definitely noticed an improvement in the situation. Specifically, no "slow days" over the last month. You can see this over roughly the last quarter of the graph above.

Obviously, as more and more people sign up for FTTH at speeds of up to 100Mbps across various ISPs, this is going to place huge demands on the Telkom last-mile networks, IPC itself and the ISPs' own internal networks.
Interesting times ahead!

PS1: If you're monitoring this thread and you've been with a particular service provider for a while, please share your own experiences.

PS2: Lest I come across as overly pro-WebAfrica, rest assured I'm not. This is my first experience with them after being a long-time MWeb subscriber. I actually dumped MWeb (in favour of Telkom LTE) exactly because they had only been delivering about 1.5Mbps of throughput, even when the associated ADSL line (occasionally) synced at 4Mbps.
 
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@jcheek , thank you for sharing. Such a pleasure reading your post regarding what is happening if one jumps over to FTTH. I admit, i honestly thought things would get more rosy and that prediction certainly was spot on turning what i believed somewhat upside down, good call Sapphiron.

I hope many read this thread and understand closely before going after their iSP's throats :whistle:.
 
Awesome post but I do need to make a correction...

So when a non-Telkom ISP delivers internet services to a subscriber over one of Telkom's last-mile networks, the main factors limiting the service speed are as follows :
1. The speed of the access medium used for the subscriber's last-mile connection. This is the "line sync speed" on xDSL (typically 1,2,4,6,10 or 20Mbps) or the fibre line speed on FTTH (typically 2,4,10,20,40 or 100Mbps).
2. The amount of IPC capacity the ISP has bought from Telkom, and how many people are sharing it at any given moment.
3. The speed at which the ISP can actually deliver data to the subscriber.

Points 2 and 3 are now also applicable to TelkomInternet.

With the wholesale/retail split forced upon Telkom SA, TelkomInternet have to operate exactly like every other ISP. They have to purchase IPC capacity like all other ISPs. The other ISPs (especially MWeb) watch them like hawks and run to ICASA whenever TelkomInternet want to bring out new packages or offer better product propositions..
 
Good post.

But let's clarify, how does Telkom IPC differ from the other "open network" models from layer 2 providers like DFA and Frogfoot?

What makes Telkom IPC more susceptible to "choking" in the long term versus the competition?
 
But let's clarify, how does Telkom IPC differ from the other "open network" models from layer 2 providers like DFA and Frogfoot?
What makes Telkom IPC more susceptible to "choking" in the long term versus the competition?
Nothing except pricing, really. Rightly or wrongly, Telkom's IPC has been a contentious product that the other ISPs regard as expensive.
As a result, ISPs will naturally want to buy the bare minimum they can get away with.

This particular thread is Telkom-specific, hence the focus on IPC. But the likes of Vumatel, Fibrehoods etc have to provide similar mechanisms by which to connect with ISPs who make use of their access networks.
 
Nothing except pricing, really. Rightly or wrongly, Telkom's IPC has been a contentious product that the other ISPs regard as expensive.
As a result, ISPs will naturally want to buy the bare minimum they can get away with.

This particular thread is Telkom-specific, hence the focus on IPC. But the likes of Vumatel, Fibrehoods etc have to provide similar mechanisms by which to connect with ISPs who make use of their access networks.

And what about the actual numbers?

Are Telkom transparent about how much they charge for IPC?

And the other players like Vuma, DFA and Frogfoot?

Is it possible to compare them apples for apples?
 
Good point on OpenServe, MickeyD !
Forgot about that recent split.

PS: Lest I come across as overly pro-WebAfrica, rest assured I'm not. This is my first experience with them after being a long-time MWeb subscriber. I actually dumped MWeb (in favour of Telkom LTE) exactly because they had only been delivering about 1.5Mbps of throughput, even when the associated ADSL line (occasionally) synced at 4Mbps.
Your posts have been positive and factual and a joy to read.

The wholesale/retail split took place last year (January 2014). The next step was to spin off wholesale from Telkom SA itself and that led to the formation of Openserve in October 2015.
 
Nothing except pricing, really. Rightly or wrongly, Telkom's IPC has been a contentious product that the other ISPs regard as expensive.
As a result, ISPs will naturally want to buy the bare minimum they can get away with.

This particular thread is Telkom-specific, hence the focus on IPC. But the likes of Vumatel, Fibrehoods etc have to provide similar mechanisms by which to connect with ISPs who make use of their access networks.

Assume this is still the most expensive part about being an ISP?
 
And what about the actual numbers?
Are Telkom transparent about how much they charge for IPC?
And the other players like Vuma, DFA and Frogfoot?
Is it possible to compare them apples for apples?

In this arena at least, I'm an end user :D. As such I can only see prices at the retail level.

ISPs like WebAfrica are working with a variety of fibre network operators, including Telkom, Vumatel, Fibrehoods, Octotel etc. One assumes that the slightly different retail pricing reflects the different connection mechanisms and associated input costs, as shown (to some extent) in posts like this one.

Of course, price is only one aspect. Performance is just one other. Time will tell which of the operators are able to provide the best services for the best prices and still have a working and modern network in a while.
Forums like this one help us share information about who's giving the most bang for the buck!
 
Your posts have been positive and factual and a joy to read.

The wholesale/retail split took place last year (January 2014). The next step was to spin off wholesale from Telkom SA itself and that led to the formation of Openserve in October 2015.

Much obliged, sah!
Likewise, good to have the inside tack to complement "on the ground" reporting. Stay with us!
 
In this arena at least, I'm an end user :D. As such I can only see prices at the retail level.

ISPs like WebAfrica are working with a variety of fibre network operators, including Telkom, Vumatel, Fibrehoods, Octotel etc. One assumes that the slightly different retail pricing reflects the different connection mechanisms and associated input costs, as shown (to some extent) in posts like this one.

Of course, price is only one aspect. Performance is just one other. Time will tell which of the operators are able to provide the best services for the best prices and still have a working and modern network in a while.
Forums like this one help us share information about who's giving the most bang for the buck!

At the moment, who is at the top? (in your opinion)

It definitely isn't Telkom because if you compare equivalent packages across the different layer 1 providers, Telkom gets beat by a lot of providers including Vuma, Frogfoot and DFA (small FTTH footprint there so technically not a fair comparison).
 
At the moment, who is at the top? (in your opinion)

It definitely isn't Telkom because if you compare equivalent packages across the different layer 1 providers, Telkom gets beat by a lot of providers including Vuma, Frogfoot and DFA (small FTTH footprint there so technically not a fair comparison).

DFA is a provider, not a reseller, it basically rents out its fiber to Telkom, Vuma, Frogfoot, etc.
 
DFA is a provider, not a reseller, it basically rents out its fiber to Telkom, Vuma, Frogfoot, etc.

Yup, but if you had to compare, say a Vox Telecom package over Telkom Fibre vs a Vox Telecom package over DFA/Frogfoot/Vuma, you'll get better value on the latter.

It looks like the costs that non-Telkom players charge for open access are considerably lower than Telkom's IPC charges and that can be seen in the prices charged to end users.
 
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