Fibre: Secunda Community

I seem to have ruffled everyone's feathers.

I don't have all the answers. Just wanted to point out that you guys don't either - and clearly 123Net does not.

But carry on defending 123Net, they sure don't worry about defending themselves though.

Oh and Alex, if I had a couple of hundred million lying around, I would start my own fibre company, but you can be sure of one thing, I wouldn't invest it in a small town, I would drop it into the metros.

As to why Telkom is dragging their feet - well they know that there's no competition happening anytime soon in Secunda, so why rush?

Sorry if the facts hurt, but that's life hey.

Have a nice night everyone
 
Henry.de.kock said:
I did point out that telkom was supposed to have secunda covered in fibre already about 3 pages back.... and while we are on the telkom topic... Why is ot that they are dragging their feet to het fibre rolled out? I would like to hear your answer to that, since it wont cost telkom half of what the new companies has to pay to get the fibre to the people.
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Purely economics and return on investment. There are better places to be focusing the skills and resources to roll out fibre.

Secunda will probably get it eventually from Telkom, but not anytime soon when large high income suburbs in the major cities are still waiting.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Purely economics and return on investment. There are better places to be focusing the skills and resources to roll out fibre.

Secunda will probably get it eventually from Telkom, but not anytime soon when large high income suburbs in the major cities are still waiting.
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Ai seems like maths is hard. There will always be a return in investment where fibre is rolled out, so dont feed me ****, I am not a mushroom. The problem is the companies want to see profit on day one and that will never happen, not even in the richie rich areas. Come now people dont believe every thing the big companies tell you, they just want biggest profit for ****ty-est service and only think of excuses for not doing some work.
 
Henry.de.kock said:
Ai seems like maths is hard. There will always be a return in investment where fibre is rolled out, so dont feed me ****, I am not a mushroom. The problem is the companies want to see profit on day one and that will never happen, not even in the richie rich areas. Come now people dont believe every thing the big companies tell you, they just want biggest profit for ****ty-est service and only think of excuses for not doing some work.
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Telkom in a nutshel
 
sydCPT said:
As to why Telkom is dragging their feet - well they know that there's no competition happening anytime soon in Secunda, so why rush?
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Thing is Telkom also missed the boat in a lot of places where there was competition. I won't bet on anything from a company that admitted to being surprised by basic economic principles.
 
Henry.de.kock said:
Ai seems like maths is hard. There will always be a return in investment where fibre is rolled out, so dont feed me ****, I am not a mushroom. The problem is the companies want to see profit on day one and that will never happen, not even in the richie rich areas. Come now people dont believe every thing the big companies tell you, they just want biggest profit for ****ty-est service and only think of excuses for not doing some work.
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Of course there is a return on investment... but higher income areas will have a much higher and quicker roi therefore will be higher on the priority list.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Of course there is a return on investment... but higher income areas will have a much higher and quicker roi therefore will be higher on the priority list.
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Well I was correct... maths is very very hard....
That is the biggest load of bs that has been said in this forum to date.

You can make the same if not more from poor areas. You don't seem to understand how it works, and that is why we want to support 123net, they have a business brain ( well they are busy proving me wrong). If you make your product cheaper, more poor people will make use of it and thus you get your return. Poor communities (or as you put it small little dorpies) does not have allot of options, as where the rich areas does have allot of options so the chances of you getting them onboard is a bigger gamble.

Why would the rich areas take 40mb fibre option over their 40mb vdsl? Here in our small little dorpie we cant get that so we will grab fibre.

The only problem we have with 123net is they want to sell something that there is zero proof of how stable or reliable it is, thus no one wants to take them up on their offer. If they can get the little customers that sent the contracts connected, then the rest will follow within a week, I can bet my chev spark on that.

People want proof and not estimations.

Btw rich people doesnt mind forking out money for mobile data so why use fibre when you have moolas to burn on mobile data.
 
Henry.de.kock said:
Well I was correct... maths is very very hard....
That is the biggest load of bs that has been said in this forum to date.

You can make the same if not more from poor areas. You don't seem to understand how it works, and that is why we want to support 123net, they have a business brain ( well they are busy proving me wrong). If you make your product cheaper, more poor people will make use of it and thus you get your return. Poor communities (or as you put it small little dorpies) does not have allot of options, as where the rich areas does have allot of options so the chances of you getting them onboard is a bigger gamble.

Why would the rich areas take 40mb fibre option over their 40mb vdsl? Here in our small little dorpie we cant get that so we will grab fibre.

The only problem we have with 123net is they want to sell something that there is zero proof of how stable or reliable it is, thus no one wants to take them up on their offer. If they can get the little customers that sent the contracts connected, then the rest will follow within a week, I can bet my chev spark on that.

People want proof and not estimations.

Btw rich people doesnt mind forking out money for mobile data so why use fibre when you have moolas to burn on mobile data.
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Sorry what? Are you being serious?
 
I will try and email Kalin tonight and find out what is going on , will keep you guys informed.
 
Henry.de.kock said:
Well I was correct... maths is very very hard....
That is the biggest load of bs that has been said in this forum to date.

You can make the same if not more from poor areas. You don't seem to understand how it works, and that is why we want to support 123net, they have a business brain ( well they are busy proving me wrong). If you make your product cheaper, more poor people will make use of it and thus you get your return. Poor communities (or as you put it small little dorpies) does not have allot of options, as where the rich areas does have allot of options so the chances of you getting them onboard is a bigger gamble.

Why would the rich areas take 40mb fibre option over their 40mb vdsl? Here in our small little dorpie we cant get that so we will grab fibre.

The only problem we have with 123net is they want to sell something that there is zero proof of how stable or reliable it is, thus no one wants to take them up on their offer. If they can get the little customers that sent the contracts connected, then the rest will follow within a week, I can bet my chev spark on that.

People want proof and not estimations.

Btw rich people doesnt mind forking out money for mobile data so why use fibre when you have moolas to burn on mobile data.
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dissodence.jpg
 
im walking into telkom tomorrow and enquiring about vdsl while i patiently wait for FTTH
 
Budza said:
Another point- 'rich' areas are lower density...

Perhaps laying FTTH for denser populated areas means better ROI?
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It's a balance. If you look at all the fibre deployments to date it's in affluent densely populated areas. Nothing in dense but poor or rich but sparse areas.

Neither Brakpan nor Secunda fits the profile so we are actually lucky a company is even looking at us.
 
Of course.

Hope you guys get it so the value proposition of different areas can be better understood :)
 
sydCPT said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA says the 123Net fanboy.

Why arn't any of the fibre providers rolling out in places like Plett or the Garden Route, with arguably the highest concentration of millionaires per square kilometer in the country? The answer is backhaul. There is no data center or point of presence in Secunda (or the Garden route), which means that the residents are going to have to cover the cost of that backhaul.
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FYI, there is fibre being rolled out in Knysna and Plett by multiple providers, DFA also has presence in Knysna
 
Henry.de.kock said:
Well I was correct... maths is very very hard....
That is the biggest load of bs that has been said in this forum to date.

You can make the same if not more from poor areas. You don't seem to understand how it works, and that is why we want to support 123net, they have a business brain ( well they are busy proving me wrong). If you make your product cheaper, more poor people will make use of it and thus you get your return. Poor communities (or as you put it small little dorpies) does not have allot of options, as where the rich areas does have allot of options so the chances of you getting them onboard is a bigger gamble.

Why would the rich areas take 40mb fibre option over their 40mb vdsl? Here in our small little dorpie we cant get that so we will grab fibre.

The only problem we have with 123net is they want to sell something that there is zero proof of how stable or reliable it is, thus no one wants to take them up on their offer. If they can get the little customers that sent the contracts connected, then the rest will follow within a week, I can bet my chev spark on that.

People want proof and not estimations.

Btw rich people doesnt mind forking out money for mobile data so why use fibre when you have moolas to burn on mobile data.
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I cant even
 
Well no news yet on the amount of returned contracts. Wonder if the job opertunities are still open, seems like the only way to get info is if you work there.
 
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