FIFA - the tourists guide ?!!

[Kosmik]

Me thinks we're going to lose a few tourists with these instructions.

 

[BBSA]

You people act like South Africa has never had tourists. We have twice as many as Australia each year and a lower rate of murder. Per capita and ACTUAL numbers. Nothing dramatic will happen. It will be great much to the disappointment of many of you.

Please remind me again where exacly did the 19 000 people get murderd in South Africa this year?

 

[Kosmik]

You people act like South Africa has never had tourists. We have twice as many as Australia each year and a lower rate of murder. Per capita and ACTUAL numbers. Nothing dramatic will happen. It will be great much to the disappointment of many of you.

Most tour companies do not suggest going in to townships at night or wandering around. Are you saying there are more murders in Australia than SA in a year? Please substantiate your claim.

 

[Therooster]

Please remind me again where exacly did the 19 000 people get murderd in South Africa this year?

Actually our murder rate is bad enough without you just randomly adding an extra 1000. Whoever those 18000 are each year few to none of them are tourists. When a tourist gets murdered here it's front page news for days. It's extremely rare. Rarer here than for example...Australia, Thailand or the Carribean (The only three places I researched).

It just goes to show what I've always maintained. Crime in South Africa is not random and chaotic. It's predictable and easily avoided.

If the tourist murder rate was the same as the South African murder rate you would see 380 tourists murdered every year. In reality you never see more than 3 in a year (normally there are none). This proves time and again that violent crime in South Africa is \secluded to certain areas and risk groups. And tourist aren't in that risk group or don't go there.

 

[daveza]

. In reality you never see more than 3 in a year (normally there are none). This proves time and again that violent crime in South Africa is \secluded to certain areas and risk groups. And tourist aren't in that risk group or don't go there.

Agreed, but this may change if FIFA is advocating driving around townships to experience the local colour and to seek out a random shebeen to spend the evening at.

 

[Lightscribe]

"Come..." says the drunken spider to the fly...

Today we witnessed the ANC violating the Constitution, as its drunken supporters tried to prevent a DA meeting from taking place in Slovo Park, Winterveldt (outside Pretoria).

A group of about 50 people, shouting ANC slogans and singing Mshini Wami, lit a bonfire with wood and a burning tyre, next to the DA’s trailer in an attempt to drive about 200 DA supporters out of the area. Many in the unruly crowd, who identified themselves as ANC supporters, were openly drinking various kinds of alcohol. Some were clearly intoxicated.

They tried to prevent the DA supporters from dousing the fire, or preventing the acrid smoke choking the area. Eventually a police contingent dispersed them with pepper spray and rubber bullets. A fire engine was called to the scene to prevent the fire from spreading.

After a delay of about 30 minutes, the DA meeting went ahead and certificates to successful candidates in a recent DA training course were presented.

The disruption of our meeting was unconstitutional and resulted in several minor injuries. The police acted promptly and professionally to protect our right to hold the meeting, by dispersing the crowd and defending our right to gather and to speak.

Instead of getting drunk and violent, ANC supporters should be addressing the critical service delivery issues that I witnessed in Winterveldt, Itsoseng and Mabopane.

About ten years ago similar incidents used to occur in Cape Town. They are now largely a thing of the past there. We will continue to build democracy and bring our message to every community in South Africa. http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=7680

http://censorbugbear-reports.blogsp...ked inside their homes by armed gangs in 2008

Crime remains one of the key challenges facing South
Africa, while burglaries in particular are on the rise.
Unisa’s Dr Rudolf Zinn, Senior Lecturer in Forensics
Investigations has conducted more research into the
nature of the scourge that’s plaguing the country.

Although the latest statistics released by the SAPS
(South African Police Services) have shown that the crime
wave in murder and rape are on a downward spiral, a more
disturbing category is on the rise. Government has welcomed
the decreases but is still concerned that the levels of crime
continue to be very high as the country prepares to host the
2010 Soccer World Cup.

According to the SAPS, house robberies have increased
by 13.5 percent compared to the previous year. Dr Rudolph
Zinn who is a Senior Lecturer in Forensics Investigations at
Unisa, highlighted in his research the modus operandi used
by burglars.

“There is wide information that house robbers use to
have access to a targeted house. Inside information is of
great importance to them and they usually approach people
who have that information,” says Zinn.

According to Zinn, an estimated 77% of robbers have
inside information and they go into great efforts to obtain
such information. The information would be about money
kept in the house and jewellery. This impacts widely on the
people who work or sell from home.

Many of the robbers
appear under false pretences and even go to the extent of
bringing the targeted home under observation for up to two
weeks including conducting visits on the home at night when
the occupants are inside their house. Robbers are highly
experienced and would often look through the windows to
see who is inside the room. The room often becomes the
target which is used as part of a plan as an escape room.

“Robbers these days use a lot of force, foul language,
point fire arms and pistols to intimidate the victim. They use
torture and concentrate mainly on women and children. They
would overpower the victims, bring them into one room and
often ask where money is kept in the house. They know that
people hide valuables in more than one room. Unfortunately,
time spent inside is often conducive enough to turn into rape
because they have all the time.”

Zinn in his research discovered that security at the
house can be an obstacle according to the many criminals
interviewed. Basic things such as small dogs, especially those
kept in the house can be the biggest deterrent. Dogs always
alert you of any movement. A big fence also poses difficulty
when entering the house.

Alarm systems also play a crucial role and very often
know when people switch off their alarms. Those are the
times between 5:00-8:00 in the morning and 18:00 –
23:00. He advises that alarms should be switched off only
inside but not at the outside doors or doors leading to
the exterior. Increasing the perimeter of the alarm system
is also important criminals often get their weapons and
equipment to break into the house from the garages of
the victims.

Zinn advises that victims should cooperate fully with the
robbers. The victims should not make any noise or produce
firearms. The best is to do what they want you to do, listen
as well because they will give you instructions on what to do.
Once robbers are inside the house, it is often too late to do
something in self defence.

Youth in South Africa are very violent and the profile of the
criminal is alarming. It is estimated that highjackers and robbers
in South Africa are between the ages of 19 and 26. http://www.unisa.ac.za/contents/docs/alumni_link_issue2_08.pdf

 

[Flanders]

...Then, as the crimson winter sun sets in the west, take a romantic stroll through the bustling alleys of Diepsloot where you could find yourself exchanging your western jewellery, electronics and of course currency in a ceremonious tradition of local African barter. There's sure to be a surprise in what you will receive in return.

This proves time and again that violent crime in South Africa is \secluded to certain areas and risk groups.

Yaaaa...suuure. Oh wait, these areas you talk of are areas where people are, right? Now I've got you. I'm actually starting to believe that you are in fact a real rooster, one that has gained the miraculous ability to scratch away with its sinewy chicken feet at a computer's keyboard, forming legible, coherent, yet utterly ludicrous statements about human social behaviour beyond the bounds of the hen house. After all, there's no raping, robbing, and murdering going on in there, is there?

 

[Therooster]

Agreed, but this may change if FIFA is advocating driving around townships to experience the local colour and to seek out a random shebeen to spend the evening at.

Ok listen. I've lived in this country for most of my 30 years. And I've never ever once had to go to a township other than when I chose to to go canvas them for business. When I did drive around townships all day for business I never found anything dangerous or threatening about them. You know just people doing what people do. But then again I'd probably not drive around certain townships just as I would avoid parts of New York and pretty much the whole of Detroit.

Do you really think anyone needs reminding that South Africa has a bad rep for crime ? If anything the message is over stated. We don't need to be scaring the tourists more than they already are , rather we need to calm down the rhetoric and say "look , to be honest stick away from certain things and you will be fine."

I have friends come visit me here from other countries all the time. The way some people carry on I should not expect them to survive the trip. Stupid !

 

[Flanders]

say "look , to be honest stick away from certain things and you will be fine."

There we go. Far more logical.

 

[Therooster]

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Yaaaa...suuure. Oh wait, these areas you talk of are areas where people are, right? Now I've got you. I'm actually starting to believe that you are in fact a real rooster, one that has gained the miraculous ability to scratch away with its sinewy chicken feet at a computer's keyboard, forming legible, coherent, yet utterly ludicrous statements about human social behaviour beyond the bounds of the hen house. After all, there's no raping, robbing, and murdering going on in there, is there?

Very well formed counter argument. You totally proved your point by considering mine then saying "yaaa...suuure" and then bashing some strawman. I see ...things are a certain way because you think they are. I salute you omnipotent king of the playgrounds !

That's one way of putting, here's another : you're a noob.

...Then, as the crimson winter sun sets in the west, take a romantic stroll through the bustling alleys of Diepsloot where you could find yourself exchanging your western jewellery, electronics and of course currency in a ceremonious tradition of local African barter. There's sure to be a surprise in what you will receive in return.

Read my last post. I would avoid diepsloot like I would avoid certain parts of any country or city. Since when did one crappy suburb become representative of our entire country or even of all oru suburbs ? You white supremicists are deeply in love with diepsloot it seems, you talk about it all the time.

It's the same with the way you think abouty race. Why must the worst black person always represent the average black person to you ? It's like you guys didn't catch on to the whole post cartesian dualism trend.

 

[Mamajyot]

Oh come on - some tourists here from the safety of say Switzerland are recommended to go to Umlazi at night and find a shebeen to spend the night at ?

The Cape Flats - have you ever seen a sign to the Cape Flats? Maybe they could take a stroll through Manenberg - now that would be an adventure...

Drive from Durban to Shakaland, Colenso, Ladysmith and the Drakensberg then back to Durban in a day ?

Walk to Canal Walk ?

Like Lou says - keep it real.

You deserve a beer! I wont give free advertising, incase the admins give me a warning!

 

[Kosmik]

Read my last post. I would avoid diepsloot like I would avoid certain parts of any country or city. Since when did one crappy suburb become representative of our entire country or even of all oru suburbs ? You white supremicists are deeply in love with diepsloot it seems, you talk about it all the time.

The problem is that Fifa is advocating going into specific areas that people would normally avoid. It's not a general perception, it's specific areas.

 

[Therooster]

The problem is that Fifa is advocating going into specific areas that people would normally avoid. It's not a general perception, it's specific areas.

Such as ?

 

[Flanders]

Very well formed counter argument. You totally proved your point by considering mine then saying "yaaa...suuure" and then bashing some strawman. I see ...things are a certain way because you think they are. I salute you omnipotent king of the playgrounds !

That's one way of putting, here's another : you're a noob.



Read my last post. I would avoid diepsloot like I would avoid parts of any country city. Since when did one crappy suburb become representative of our entire country ? You white supremicists are deeply in love with diepsloot it seems, you talk about it all the time.

The initial part of my post was a joke. I thought that bit was obvious. The fact that this tourist guide is punting some less-than-savoury locations as tourist hotspots prompted me to add my own little comical addition. Couldn't resist, sorry.

I see ...things are a certain way because you think they are.

No, not because I think so, but because it's fact. If your statement was true, all we'd be hearing all day long is how terrible the crime in townships is and how come nowhere else in the country experiences a worrying amount of violent crime, at any time of day, in any location.

That's one way of putting, here's another : you're a noob.

Muuhaha! Cunning, yet how predictable you are, Mr Rooster. I had anticipated your name-calling outburst and have countered it with my own secret weapon: logic!

You white supremicists are deeply in love with diepsloot it seems, you talk about it all the time.

See, now this is where I sort of have to draw the line. We're talking about crime and the potential for it, and you go off on a rant about white supremacy. It's old now, Roy. Time to rethink your argument. Use reason along with facts next time. Come to think of it, unwittingly, you've sorta proved, ah say, you've sorta proved a point there, son.

 

[Therooster]

No, not because I think so, but because it's fact. If your statement was true, all we'd be hearing all day long is how terrible the crime in townships is and how come nowhere else in the country experiences a worrying amount of violent crime, at any time of day, in any location.

Yes , that would seem right ....but !

What you don't consider is that South Africa uniquely has a lot of people who actually care very little about crime or not or the dangers thereof. Many of them are expats and are very vocal on the internet. To them crime is merely a convenient way to discredit the country. In 1994 when crime affected us even more than today it was never a topic of conversation for white people....never ! Because that would have be discrediting us. Since we had a black government it's been a very convenient thing to moan about and smaer in alarmism and hyperbole.

These referendum "no voters" people so notalgic for the pre 1994 "utopia" merely present crime as something whites are victim to to try and win some childlike game of "I told you so". The facts simply do not back up their version of the reality.

See, now this is where I sort of have to draw the line. We're talking about crime and the potential for it, and you go off on a rant about white supremacy. It's old now, Roy. Time to rethink your argument. Use reason along with facts next time. Come to think of it, unwittingly, you've sorta proved, ah say, you've sorta proved a point there, son.

No. There is very little difference between the two issues. The people who go on and on about crime in an alarmist and sensationalistic fashion almost always 100% of the time have an alternative motive and agenda and honestly could not care less about crime (as it mostly affects black people). Rather they use it as a convenient issue to discredit black people.

There are geniunly concerned people regarding crime , but they never ever have any need to use rhetoric and words like "war zone" and "genocide" and "blood bath" other such obviously sensationalic drivel so easily recognisable to your average person who lives here and knows how perfectly mellow it is.

 

[daveza]

My my but there is a lot of tosh posted on this forum ( mine included sometimes before coffee ).

White supremacists ?

Go back to the original post - it's referring to FIFAs absurb suggestions to tourists and obviously written by someone who has never been to this country.

Take a drive to the Cape Flats - Blue Downs, Belhar, Blikkiesdorp ?

Langa? Sure there might be areas where you can go in Langa but there are many you should not.

After seeing the Drakensberg drive to Umlazi at night and find a shebeen ?

Sorry, but there is not a single person in the country who would find this to be a very bright idea - black or any other colour of the rainbow.

Take a deep breath and write down 50 times

Not all animal lovers are racists.

Not all people who disapprove of the government are racists.

Not everyone who is concerned about crime are racists.

Not everyone who thinks Bush and Cheney are cool guys are racists ( just nutjobs ).

Now get another piece of paper and write 100 times -

If I keep raising the race card perhaps I'm the racist.

 

[Kosmik]

Such as ?

Cape Flats, kayelitsha, Umlazi .....etc etc.

I wouldn't want to walk around there at night, don't think its racist, just smart.