Firearms - Coming Soon!!!

gregmcc said:
This sounds like complete BS - Ill believe it when it gets passed. Makes zero sense!
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+1 Just bored office minions entertaining themselves. Same as the "tornados in jo'burg" hoax email or 1000 others just like it.

Geriatrix said:
Yeah but just think about this.
If you can only keep it at home, how will you get it home from the gunshop? How will you take it to the range(every responsible firearm owner should go to the range regularly)?
This sounds like a really daft brainfart of an idea.
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Don't be thick. Q: A sporting licence is only to be used for sport shooting, so how do you get your gun from your house to the range? A:It's permitted by the act. If you use the firearm for self defence, en route, you're fine due to some or other "used out of necessity" law, but you'll have a hard time convincing a judge that you were on your way to the range if you use your gun outside a nightclub at 3am.
 
Drunkard #1 said:
Don't be thick. Q: A sporting licence is only to be used for sport shooting, so how do you get your gun from your house to the range? A:It's permitted by the act. If you use the firearm for self defence, en route, you're fine due to some or other "used out of necessity" law, but you'll have a hard time convincing a judge that you were on your way to the range if you use your gun outside a nightclub at 3am.
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Don't be a dick.
A firearm licensed with a sporting license can be used for self defense as well. It's just not the motivated reason for acquiring one. You are also not limited in where you can carry it.
 
Geriatrix said:
Don't be a dick.
A firearm licensed with a sporting license can be used for self defense as well. It's just not the motivated reason for acquiring one. You are also not limited in where you can carry it.
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Check the Act. A sporting firearm can only be used for sport. You can only carry it for sporting related reasons, not self defence.
 
had to give Mary Lou in for safe Keeping :mad:

Still waiting for my license..2 years now. :mad:
 
Drunkard #1 said:
Check the Act. A sporting firearm can only be used for sport. You can only carry it for sporting related reasons, not self defence.
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I just scanned the act again quickly. Tell me where it says you may not use it in a self defense situation or only carry it only for sporting related reasons.
 
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Mila said:
had to give Mary Lou in for safe Keeping :mad:

Still waiting for my license..2 years now. :mad:
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Have you called them? 2 years is too long, they streamelined the process end of last year. I think your papers might have gotten lost. I'd reapply if I were you.
 
Geriatrix said:
Have you called them? 2 years is too long, they streamelined the process end of last year. I think your papers might have gotten lost. I'd reapply if I were you.
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It got mixed up again because we moved. Now everything has to start over again.

Peeees me off. Thanx for telling me. about the Streamlining :)
 
Geriatrix said:
Have you called them? 2 years is too long, they streamelined the process end of last year. I think your papers might have gotten lost. I'd reapply if I were you.
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Yeah I had a few friends who all got notification letters within a few weeks of each other at the end of last year.
 
Fudzy said:
Yeah I had a few friends who all got notification letters within a few weeks of each other at the end of last year.
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Yes. I don't know what they did but a guy I know got his full license 8 weeks after applying.
 
Got notification in December for my licences and pitched up at the police station ,they told me they not been printed yet ,,only 5 years i have been waiting :D
 
Geriatrix said:
I just scanned the act again quickly. Tell me where it says you may not use it in a self defense situation or only carry it for sporting related reasons.
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I can't find it now. Too many acts and amendment acts and proclamations and regulations. But it is in there somewhere.

You can use anything you like to defend yourself, including your sport licensed firearm - law of necessity. You'll then need to explain why you were carrying that firearm.
 
Drunkard #1 said:
I can't find it now. Too many acts and amendment acts and proclamations and regulations. But it is in there somewhere.

You can use anything you like to defend yourself, including your sport licensed firearm - law of necessity. You'll then need to explain why you were carrying that firearm.
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Just Google South African firearms control act.
You can carry your sporting licensed firearm if you like, as long as it's holstered and concealed. Sure they may ask you why you're carrying it but it's not against the law to do so.
 
Why not just keep a unlicenced firearm hidden away under the bed, for self protection. Lot less hassle. Take a hint from the criminals, they don't go through all the hassle, so why should we, the victims worry. Take it easy. :)
 
Geriatrix said:
Just Google South African firearms control act.
You can carry your sporting licensed firearm if you like, as long as it's holstered and concealed. Sure they may ask you why you're carrying it but it's not against the law to do so.
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After taking a look at the gunsite forums, I'll concede that it isn't black and white. I couldn't find a straight answer there either. They seem to agree that using the firearm is OK, if necessary, but can't agree whether carrying it for self defence is lawful. Two different charges from two different acts.
 
Drunkard #1 said:
After taking a look at the gunsite forums, I'll concede that it isn't black and white. I couldn't find a straight answer there either. They seem to agree that using the firearm is OK, if necessary, but can't agree whether carrying it for self defence is lawful. Two different charges from two different acts.
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I think it comes down to semantics. You could just say you were carrying it because you were planning on going to the range later for a practice session. It won't be illegal at all.
 
beans100 said:
Why not just keep a unlicenced firearm hidden away under the bed, for self protection. Lot less hassle. Take a hint from the criminals, they don't go through all the hassle, so why should we, the victims worry. Take it easy. :)
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to buy an un licensed gun is not so easy... unless you have buddies in the right places.
 
Geriatrix said:
I think it comes down to semantics. You could just say you were carrying it because you were planning on going to the range later for a practice session. It won't be illegal at all.
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That's my whole point. According to what I was told, you can't say that if you used it outside a nightclub at 3am, so "self defense" justifies your reason for using it (charge one - murder/GBH - dismissed), and "I was on my way to the range" justifies your reason for carrying it (charge two - FCA charges - dismissed), unless you can't use that defense, as with the case above, in which case you'll be charged with "carrying a firearm for a purpose other than for which it was licensed" or something to that effect. As far as I've been told.

Same thing with a "home defense" license. You could carry it to and from the range or gunsmith, because that would be "reasons related to home defense". You couldn't justify carrying it at 3am, which will only become a problem if you use it (or are stopped at a road block or something.)
 
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Drunkard #1 said:
That's my whole point. According to what I was told, you can't say that if you used it outside a nightclub at 3am, so "self defense" justifies your reason for using it (charge one - murder/GBH - dismissed), and "I was on my way to the range" justifies your reason for carrying it (charge two - FCA charges - dismissed), unless you can't use that defense, as with the case above, in which case you'll be charged with "carrying a firearm for a purpose other than for which it was licensed" or something to that effect. As far as I've been told.
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I guess that case would have to be fought out in the courts.
But with the nightclub case if you were;
* not under the influence of alcohol
* used it in self defense
You could still be in the clear. Possession would still be technically legal as the law as far as I understand it.

Same thing with a "home defense" license. You could carry it to and from the range or gunsmith, because that would be "reasons related to home defense". You couldn't justify carrying it at 3am, which will only become a problem if you use it (or are stopped at a road block or something.)
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I guess. We'll just have to wait and see then.
 
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