First SAAF Black Female Chopper Pilot

Bageloo said:
Does that lowering of standard benefit only the black person ...?
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The lowering of standard combined with EE will benefit the black person.

As you have been at pains to point out, the EE laws should apply only when two people are qualified. By lowering the standard you allow more people to qualify, so it is easier to employ more black people. That means if white people get higher marks, they still won't get the job because it will have to go to the 'qualified' black person.
 
Slooth said:
Wasn't what you wanted to read? The pass rate when I was at school was 40% from all subjects with the exception of your second language which was 33%. The pass rate is now 33% across the board. The article goes into great lengths about the drop in the standard of education.
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:eek: 40%.. you mean you actually could pass on only 40% ? and it's even less now??? :eek: What Standards!!! you mean they are sending people out into the world with the understanding that doing the job right 30% of the time is OK:confused:
 
I'm always amazed when I read things like this. When I was in highschool, I failed maths one year. I got 47% (pure lazyness, guilty as charged). This was in the mid 90s.
 
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skeptik, as i said in my post, those particular individulas knew when they joined that they would not necessarily get their first choice due to the current situation... Ignorance is not an excuse...
 
33%?!?!?!?!? to pass..

WHAT?

I got 49% once, and was given a lucky break of writing a catch up exam to pass.
33% is ridiculous, it doesn't show that you have ANY grasp of the material being taught.
 
this thread has gone from one being about a black female chopper pilot, to the governments education standards... I dont think i have ever seen a topic veer off track so much before as this one...
 
AjAx30 said:
skeptik, as i said in my post, those particular individulas knew when they joined that they would not necessarily get their first choice due to the current situation... Ignorance is not an excuse...
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Actually they did not and I challenge you to prove me wrong. Tradition has it that the best pilots get to choose their unit. End of story.
[Why would anyone want to join if they are always going to get sidelined anyway?]
 
/care, so she is black, big deal. A pilot is a pilot. Why is this under discussion anyway?
 
Concerning the standard of education, the top 3% of academic minds in this country, go to university, where they are taught how to read in LEER111 at Potchefstroom. People are required to be able to read 450 WPM (as I recall from 4 years ago) and most people average at 80.

Take in to account what you experience everyday. It does not take a genius to come to the conclusion, that the standard of education is not the same as it was 13 years ago. RSA is becoming less and less competitive. Only an idiot would argue otherwise that the standard of education is the same.

Ask a kid in matric to do basic arithmetic without a calculator, 8+7, 6*7, 7*8 and see if they can answer you within 4 seconds per question.

I was in a 1st year class at the beginning of the year at Potchefstroom, before our first exam, a black student put his hand up and asked the lecturer in a demanding arrogant voice, when we would be receiving the physical exam question paper so that we could start studying it. The lecturer looked at him and started laughing.
 
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alanf85 said:
As long as she wasn't fast tracked, pushed through even after falling like those affirmative fighter pilots were IIRC.:o
We await when they proudly announce the first blind chopper pilot :cool:
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Bageloo said:
Because she's black and female, there must be that possibility that she was fast tracked and pushed through.
You are such a racist and a sexist :eek:
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Alan has a point, policy exist everywhere, to give black people an unfair advantage. Once black people start competing with me on equal footing, I will acknowledge their accomplishments relative to mine.

The ideal would be however, where peope will stop referring to skin colour as if it means anything, as I said before, a black pilot, /care. A pilot is a pilot.
 
princess44 said:
Both of these individuals were Black Pilots who competed on "equal footing". They were not given preferential treatment. You can google them if you wish. Their accomplishments records speaks volumes
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How is this relevant? They accomplished what they did in their own countries, not in the New S.A.
 
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It is relevant because it is inspiring. My dad was a pilot officer in the RCAF in WWII. He never made excuses that he required "special consideration" because he "happened to be black". He obtained his master's degree at McGill and went on to get a certifcate in Diplomacy in Geneva. He set high expecations for us kids and was a tremendous role model. We are all professionals. I now have kids of my own and celebrate when I see other Black individuals do well... regardless of their geography.

I would be proud of her simply because she is a woman in a male dominated field.

If she were your daughter...wouldn't you feel the same way?

Take care
 
The relevance I asked about was specifically considering we've been discussing the S.A. air-force, were affirmative action is almost certainly at play.

I would be proud my kids, like any parent - my parents are immensly proud of me even though I have a pretty ordinary job.

But you explain exactly why I think it does more than harm than good to make a big deal out of this. You just proved that there is no reason why a black person cannot attain the same achievements as anyone else. So why do we have to make a special deal about it? All it does is suggest that black people are still someone inferior, so if a black person manages to do something that other groups do as a matter of course, we should be real happy about it. South Africans go to a great deal of trouble to state that we're all intellectually equal and are capable of the same achievements, but we treat people's achievements with different levels of celebration depending on their race. That's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

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If she managed to become a SAAF pilot before '94 - now *that* would have been impressive! :-D
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koffiejunkie said:
But you explain exactly why I think it does more than harm than good to make a big deal out of this. You just proved that there is no reason why a black person cannot attain the same achievements as anyone else. So why do we have to make a special deal about it?
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Maybe its simply a historic moment more than being aligned to race politics. I accompanied a Chinese, 3.5km depth at TauTona mine. First time everyone there has seen a Chinese person underground.

I was in Western Australia, Newman, Mt Whaleback mine. First time anyone there had seen a Black Person.
 
princess44 said:
I invite you to read the following.

Both of these individuals were Black Pilots who competed on "equal footing". They were not given preferential treatment. You can google them if you wish. Their accomplishments records speaks volumes

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/news_e.asp?id=1496

http://www.cambridgewhoswho.com/profiles/DrStephenBlizzard-72861.cfm

Take care
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koffiejunkie said:
The relevance I asked about was specifically considering we've been discussing the S.A. air-force, were affirmative action is almost certainly at play.

I would be proud my kids, like any parent - my parents are immensly proud of me even though I have a pretty ordinary job.

But you explain exactly why I think it does more than harm than good to make a big deal out of this. You just proved that there is no reason why a black person cannot attain the same achievements as anyone else. So why do we have to make a special deal about it? All it does is suggest that black people are still someone inferior, so if a black person manages to do something that other groups do as a matter of course, we should be real happy about it. South Africans go to a great deal of trouble to state that we're all intellectually equal and are capable of the same achievements, but we treat people's achievements with different levels of celebration depending on their race. That's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

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If she managed to become a SAAF pilot before '94 - now *that* would have been impressive! :-D
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I feel the same koffiejunkie, preferential treatment given to race groups, suggests that either that race is superior or inferior when compared to the to other. Either way, such policies feed racism in our minds and solidifies prejudice.
Giving special attention to the fact that she is a black woman detracts from her achievement of becoming a pilot, which I imagine is very hard work.
I also do not believe this person achieved this distinction, without a helping hand from prejudiced, racist policies. She could have achieved this distinction without it, though I'm sure the assistance went a long way in to writing out her diploma/degree/license? What do pilots in the air force get?
 
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