Flavio Briatore resigns

[killadoob]

Well yes a team order for sure but there is nothing in the laws of f1 that says you have to follow team orders even if they ask you to cheat. So nelson is just as guilty and even worse for him is he only spilled the beans because he was angry for being fired.

So nobody is actually looking at nelson as a whistle blower but more as a little punk who could not cut it in f1 and wanted to get even which i am glad he did

 

[Willie Trombone]

Well looks like I was wrong about Nelson jr. I thought he was just being sour about being dropped. This could be bad for F1!

While I know new teams are coming in, they are mostly 'private' teams. I think that it's nice to have manufacturer teams in the sport. I hope Briatore's resignation saves Renualt's place on the grid.

+1
I like both TBH - private teams are champions of the little guy when they beat the big MNFs and MNF's attract support by their presence.

 

[hoegh]

its a bit of a "grey area", team sport and doing what is best for the team and all that, and im sure there are stil subtle under-handed team orders going around

maybe flavio knew that nelson was such a rubish driver that it was only a matter of time before he smacked the wall, maybe the engineers actuall calculated with wear and tear on the tyres, nelson bad skills etc etc that at approx 12 odd laps nelson would decide that the wall was the best place to park his car

ok ok, enough BS, ban the tossers, F1 is rotten to the core and needs a good shake up, the off track antics are more entertaining than what happens on the track

 

[milomak]

what woud the relevance of it being team orders be?

 

[killadoob]

Well i think it has to do with nelson accepting the order and obeying it, some could consider it team orders and not nelson helping renault cheat .

 

[Willie Trombone]

what woud the relevance of it being team orders be?

They can't palm the blame on Nelsinho and the team must be brought to book. Getting rid of Flav and Symmonds is convenient at this point in time as they pose the biggest risk to the company by spilling the beans - even if it was their actions as individuals...
Symmonds never spoke and now Renault are going to say 'punish us' while not having anyone to question... 'We dunno what Flav did or why?'

 

[milomak]

Well given they are not going to contest the charge Renault is clearly admitting guilt to the charges.

And in any event even if you went the team order route, Nelson would not be exempt from the charge, Nelson could still be charged for creating a dangerous situation deliberately.

 

[Ou grote]

I still don't get the point of crashing a car worth millions, risking the life of a driver and other the drivers and their cars. Just so that Alonso can win a race in a championship he stood no chance of winning.

Guess I'll have to wait for the movie to come out.

 

[Willie Trombone]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78675

Former world champion Niki Lauda has said that the FIA must still punish Renault hard for its involvement in fixing last year's Singapore Grand Prix if Formula 1 is to restore its credibility.

In the wake of Renault admitting that it will not contest charges that it deliberately caused a crash in Singapore last year to help Fernando Alonso win, Lauda has called for tough sanctions.

This comes despite the two men at the centre of the case - Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds - having left the team ahead of next Monday's World Motor Sport Council hearing into the matter.

The hearing will still go ahead and it is likely Renault will be represented by a lawyer, who will ask for clemency because the evidence suggests only a few people knew about the alleged race-fixing plot.

But Lauda thinks that even though so few knew about the offence, he thinks for the sake of the sport the team must be punished.

He suggests this matter is more serious than either Michael Schumacher deliberately parking his car in Monaco 2006, or the McLaren spy case in 2007.

"When I first heard the accusation that Renault had asked Nelson Piquet to crash deliberately, the question was whether it was true or not," Lauda told the Daily Mail.

"If it was true, then it amounted to the worst thing that has happened in Formula 1.

"There is only one other incident that comes near - Michael Schumacher parking his Ferrari on the racing line at Monaco in 2006 to block Fernando Alonso's last qualifying lap.

"But, really, even that is not comparable."

He added: "Yes, the McLaren spying scandal two years ago was extremely serious but mechanics have always discussed technical data among themselves.

"This, though, is new. The biggest damage ever. Now the FIA must punish Renault heavily to restore credibility in the sport."

Lauda has also expressed disappointment about the stance adopted by Briatore over the weekend - the Italian claiming innocence and stirring up matters relating to Piquet's private life.

"What also really upset me at the weekend was what Flavio Briatore was saying. He denied it all," he said.

"His messages were murky, even making comments about Piquet's private life. It was unbelievable. And now, because Briatore has been sacked, we must assume the allegations against Renault were all true."

 

[Ou grote]

I don't blame Shumi for that one.
There isn't all that much place to park in Monaco, especially during an F1 race.

 

[SirFooK'nG]

Well given they are not going to contest the charge Renault is clearly admitting guilt to the charges.

And in any event even if you went the team order route, Nelson would not be exempt from the charge, Nelson could still be charged for creating a dangerous situation deliberately.

+1 He is as guilty as the rest of them.

BTW BMW/Sauber got new owners for next year and will use Ferrari engines.

 

[Willie Trombone]

I don't blame Shumi for that one.
There isn't all that much place to park in Monaco, especially during an F1 race.

Ja - even if it is deliberate

 

[Willie Trombone]

Would Massa be WC if not for Renault cheating?

Massa was leading the race comfortably at the time of Renault's staged crash. One has to ask - would Massa have been under less pressure and perhaps not had the fuel rig issues had the Safety Car not botched the order? A better result at Singapore - even one point - would have done it.

 

[killadoob]

Well you cannot blame renault for ferrari's idiotic system that had shown signs of serious problems before the race.

If they had just changed back to the old system instead of being stupid and keeping an obviously flawed system he would have won the championship for sure.

There is no blame in that case but ferrari's stupidity for not changing a poor system.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Well you cannot blame renault for ferrari's idiotic system that had shown signs of serious problems before the race.

If they had just changed back to the old system instead of being stupid and keeping an obviously flawed system he would have won the championship for sure.

There is no blame in that case but ferrari's stupidity for not changing a poor system.

+1
Just stirring...

 

[milomak]

I still don't get the point of crashing a car worth millions, risking the life of a driver and other the drivers and their cars. Just so that Alonso can win a race in a championship he stood no chance of winning.

Guess I'll have to wait for the movie to come out.

people who report as being done for alonso are being disingenious. it was for renault to gain points and put them in a favourable position in the constructors, which leads to millions flowing Renault's way.

EDIT: http://www.f1network.net/boards/read/s107.htm?110,9624398

 

[upup]

Truli also left because he could not handled Flabio.

Flabio also got Schumie into F1.

So did nelson only revealed this after he was sacked.

 

[killadoob]

I think each point is worth something like 3-4 millions pounds, so winning a gp is in the region of 40-60 million i would imagine pounds. So winning is massive why do you think force india looked so damn happy with 8 points .

 

[Creag]

I think each point is worth something like 3-4 millions pounds, so winning a gp is in the region of 40-60 million i would imagine

I have never thought of it like that.

No wonder the big boys have been so about the cap on the amounts the can invest in their teams.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Truli also left because he could not handled Flabio.

Flabio also got Schumie into F1.

So did nelson only revealed this after he was sacked.

Apparently not - it seems his dad approached the FIA about it before he was sacked because of the pressure on him by Flavio to score points or leave.