Focus ST vs 135i

DOOMIE61 said:
Yeah but Gordon murray used the V12 from Bmw as mclaren was not an established car company at the time, same go's for koenigsegg they used a merc engine for the early model but for the ccxr the made there own engine.

My point is Ford has been round for donkey years they had a great racing heritage so it would be nothing for them to make an engine. but they didn't it was easier to get an engine from some one else, then remove the badge on the T5 motor and put Duratec when in fact it's not..
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True but lets not forget the economic climate which they faced around the time the latest st was born
 
Doomie61, quick, *** on the mini for using a Peugeot engine. That's also like saying Seat or Skoda should not use VW engines. Or the Citroen-Peugeot engine sharing agreement which also includes Nissan. Or the toyota engines in the Lotus's etc etc.

What a dumb argument.
 
Instead of looking at the 135i, will the BMW 125i coupe give the focus ST a run for it's money?
According to the BMW website it does 0-100in 6.4secs. That's quicker than the ST 0-100 time where it's a claimed 6.8 secs. The 125i has a higher top speed as well.
 
andytl5 said:
Instead of looking at the 135i, will the BMW 125i coupe give the focus ST a run for it's money?
According to the BMW website it does 0-100in 6.4secs. That's quicker than the ST 0-100 time where it's a claimed 6.8 secs. The 125i has a higher top speed as well.
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Yip must have been a 125 with the motorsport kit...
Btw Im faster than C30 T5 with my little Polo, I dont think your 850 T5(it was a cool car back in the day) would keep up with a 125.

If my figures are correct, a strong ST will beat a 125 up here in JHB, a 125 will tear a 850 Volvo apart...
 
JK8 said:
Btw Im faster than C30 T5 with my little Polo, I dont think your 850 T5(it was a cool car back in the day) would keep up with a 125
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Seems we're going be changing our arguments shortly, JK8 ;)

It's always been my RunX RSI vs Polo GTI - and I've always said it'd be a close race up here (down there, I doubt you'd keep up ...)

But I'm trading my RunX RSI in a few hours for a C30 T5 - and I'd be very, very keen to see you run with me.
 
Next time you see stuff like this happening where a drag is about to happen , grab your cell and take a clip , its not often you see there rare Unicorns racing , not even on killarney or on Tv
 
JK8 said:
Yip must have been a 125 with the motorsport kit...

If my figures are correct, a strong ST will beat a 125 up here in JHB, a 125 will tear a 850 Volvo apart...
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I'm sorry to have to break this to you but your figures are wrong, as usual. The 125i makes less power and significantly less torque than an ST and it would definitely be beaten by one, especially at altitude. In fact, my personal experience when I still had my ST was that the ST is a very good match for the now defunct 130i.

Coming back to the 850 T5: That car is deceptively strong and I've embarrassed more than my share of seemingly superior machines with it. This particular BMW was in a different league altogether and to claim that it was merely a rebadged 125i is ludicrous, especially coming from someone who was neither present when this happened nor have any idea of how my 850 T5 goes.
 
http://www.carsinaction.net/ViewArticle.asp?cat=97&art=1829

Without the turbines to replace the air density that Highveld altitude robs, the 125i’s performance was underwhelming. It took 8.5 seconds to get from 0-100km/h and 8.8 seconds from 80 – 120km/h. Not exactly slow, but then almost every C-segment hot hatchback we’ve tested in the last few years has bettered those times

Wow - even the RSI get's an 8.8 seconds to 100km/h :/ A standard ST will kill a 125i ...
 
Dolby said:
http://www.carsinaction.net/ViewArticle.asp?cat=97&art=1829

Without the turbines to replace the air density that Highveld altitude robs, the 125i’s performance was underwhelming. It took 8.5 seconds to get from 0-100km/h and 8.8 seconds from 80 – 120km/h. Not exactly slow, but then almost every C-segment hot hatchback we’ve tested in the last few years has bettered those times

Wow - even the RSI get's an 8.8 seconds to 100km/h :/ A standard ST will kill a 125i ...
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So the answer is I can have a 125i, but I'll only benefit from its performance in the cape
 
... like all NA cars, it'll lose 17 percent down at the coast - so I'd guess 7.9 for the BMW vs 7.5 for the ST?

I know the RSI got a 7.9 at coast and an 8.8 here. When I tried in my car, I couldn't even crack 9 though
 
Is it just me or is JK8 blwoing things out of his @rse more often nowadays?
 
Dolby said:
... like all NA cars, it'll lose 17 percent down at the coast - so I'd guess 7.9 for the BMW vs 7.5 for the ST?

I know the RSI got a 7.9 at coast and an 8.8 here. When I tried in my car, I couldn't even crack 9 though
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Ok, do you mean it'll lose 17 percent compared to being at the coast? Rather than lose 17 percent at the coast?
 
andytl5 said:
Ok, do you mean it'll lose 17 percent compared to being at the coast? Rather than lose 17 percent at the coast?
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Compared to being at the coast.

An engine is always rates and the claimed performance figures are always at the coast. So according the brochure, it's 160KW and 0-100 in 6.9 (or whatever the article says). Up here it should be roughly 132KW and 8 seconds. A turbo loses a few percent.

There's obviously alot more to it - for example a general +-6% (IIRC) variance on all engine made. You could buy 5 x 160KW cars and you'd get a spread of between 150KW and 169KW.

So in *theory* the 125i vs Focus ST would be a reasonable match at the coast - but up here the Focus ST hardly drops power (a few percent to maybe 160KW) and the BMW drops to 132KW - very little comparison
 
Dolby said:
Seems we're going be changing our arguments shortly, JK8 ;)

It's always been my RunX RSI vs Polo GTI - and I've always said it'd be a close race up here (down there, I doubt you'd keep up ...)

But I'm trading my RunX RSI in a few hours for a C30 T5 - and I'd be very, very keen to see you run with me.
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:D
My Citi was fater than the RSi!:p
Polo is much faster.
Are you really getting the C30 T5? I took one on, expecting to lose because its supposed to be quicker than a ST, I kept up and just pulled about 50cm in front. not bad... for me!!:)

I have a few baby mods, Seat intake and strut brace... the intake is a little piece of plastic but the amount of torque I get now is unbelievable!!!

C30, Very cool car, very rare. Congrats and enjoy!:)
 
Dolby said:
Compared to being at the coast.

An engine is always rates and the claimed performance figures are always at the coast. So according the brochure, it's 160KW and 0-100 in 6.9 (or whatever the article says). Up here it should be roughly 132KW and 8 seconds. A turbo loses a few percent.

There's obviously alot more to it - for example a general +-6% (IIRC) variance on all engine made. You could buy 5 x 160KW cars and you'd get a spread of between 150KW and 169KW.

So in *theory* the 125i vs Focus ST would be a reasonable match at the coast - but up here the Focus ST hardly drops power (a few percent to maybe 160KW) and the BMW drops to 132KW - very little comparison
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Cool useful explanation, and from previous posts it sounds like the ST has turbines to suck air in where as the 125i does not and relies on forward movement to get its air? Which explains why the ST has more power at higher altitude
 
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