For alanf85 and marine1

neio said:
I dont think so, people all over the world hate being oppressed, just because the students are in Iran doesn't mean they are not capable of forcing regime change.

They did so for the Islamic revolution of the 1970's.

The can do so again on their own in 2008.
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I agree, if people are not satisfied with their current situation/government THEY are the ones who will enforce change and more often than not will be successful if their movement is considered mainstream among it's citizens.
 
marine1 said:
Maybe but I just do not see them revolting against Islam. Basically that is what they would be rising up against.
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They wont be revolting against Islam, they will be revolting against extremist Islam.
 
marine1 said:
Maybe but I just do not see them revolting against Islam. Basically that is what they would be rising up against.
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You clearly are Islamaphopic, there are Islamic countries that are very friendly toward the west and much better than SA in many ways.

Islam is a religion, it is cultist movements disguised within Islam that are the problem.
 
sufferwell said:
You clearly are Islamaphopic, there are Islamic countries that are very friendly toward the west and much better than SA in many ways.

Islam is a religion, it is cultist movements disguised within Islam that are the problem.
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Let's not start making personal remarks, just to say that "there are Islamic countries that are very friendly toward the west and much better than SA in many ways."

Would suffice.
 
neio said:
Let's not start making personal remarks, just to say that "there are Islamic countries that are very friendly toward the west and much better than SA in many ways."

Would suffice.
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Okay, probably a bit harsh...

but there is some truth to it :o
 
neio said:
Lets take Iran as an example, you may remember a year or so ago that there were student riots in Iran against the government, however when it became know within Iran that the CIA was sponsoring some of the riots they immediately ceased, the reason being the students didn't want to be associated with the CIA's intervention. Now if the CIA had simply stayed out of the situation Iran could perhaps have had a different government today.
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No offence but do you have a link? :D

sufferwell said:
I agree, if people are not satisfied with their current situation/government THEY are the ones who will enforce change and more often than not will be successful if their movement is considered mainstream among it's citizens.
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Are the poeple of Zimbabwe happy with their current situation? Even if the government has support does that give it the right to do what they please?
 
alanf85 said:
Are the poeple of Zimbabwe happy with their current situation? Even if the government has support does that give it the right to do what they please?
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You do know that many Africans admire and respect Mugabe and believe he is freeing them from the "White man's oppression" which the MSM does not often report, also there are tribal loyalties.
 
You just said a couple of posts ago that without the CIA sponsored riots there would have not BEEN any riots, I'm confused as to what proof you need?
Proof that the CIA sponsored the riots?
or
...?
 
neio said:
You just said a couple of posts ago that without the CIA sponsored riots there would have not BEEN any riots, I'm confused as to what proof you need?
Proof that the CIA sponsored the riots?
or
...?
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Marine1 said that.

I'm asking for a link to back up your claim that students stoped rioting because they don't want to be associated with the CIA
 
Well, the Iranian government condemned the riots as CIA sponsored and some of the riots probably was. Seeing as news is so tightly controlled I haven't found a link to where the students said they stopped rioting because of the CIA influence. The riot movement by it's very nature is one that's disorganized and the CIA is not very well going to admit that they sponsored riots are they?
 
Congratulations you two on having one of the more civil political discussions this board has seen in a while. So far I haven't seen any name-calling or such. Just honest disagreement and debate. Let's keep it that way.
 
neio said:
No, let the countries who are neighbors to where the **** is do it.
It's in their economic best interest to have peace in their own region.
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Which of Kuwait's neighbors do you think would have helped when Saddam invaded them?
 
How many more Off topic discussions are going to be posted in News & Current Affairs?
 
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