Fracking in the Karoo - why it's bad

culling people should be considered. If we can Do this why not shoot a few useless/sick people?
 
joelus said:
Doesn't answer the question: Which special interest groups / corporations are lobbying against fracking in the karoo? It's not a difficult question. Unless by 'special interest groups' you mean farmers in the karoo?
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Read the article. Regard the Treasure the Karoo Action Group with as much skepticism as you would a pro-frakking group
 
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JStrike said:
Read the article. Regard the Treasure the Karoo Action Group with as much skepticism as you would a pro-frakking group
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I read the article but unless you can point out what groups are involved I'm more inclined to treat your 'conspiracy theory' with scepticism.

As far as I can tell there is plenty of evidence that fracking in the karoo would be bad for the environment and bad for the people living there - it hasn't been convincingly demonstrated that the economic benefit outweighs this in any way.

I also see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there are special interest groups / corporations behind the Treasure the Karoo Action Group, lobbying against fracking in the karoo and I can't see what motive any such corporations would have by doing so. I see concerned citizens and residents. And since you obviously don't know of any special interest groups / corporations lobbying against fracking in the karoo either, your 'scepticism' is misplaced - you are believing something with no evidence at all!

I also see you avoid the difficult questions, like the millions of litres of water required for fracking in a desert and the millions of litres of waste product that results, while you focus on a conspiracy theory :rolleyes:

Sustainability is the future. Anything else is a waste of time.
 
Nicodeamus said:
What exactly is 'sustainability'?
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In the way I was using it above it means energy production which is not dependant on limited resources.
Oil energy is unsustainable because the oil is running out.
Gas is unsustainable because gas reserves are limited and will run out.
Solar and wind are examples of sustainable energy sources because we won't run out of sunshine or wind.

For your own life to be sustainable your waste products must not exceed the resources used, unless those waste products can be re-used (in which case they are not waste).
This is how nature has survived for billions of years.

Sustainability is the capacity to endure. For humans, sustainability is the long-term maintenance of responsibility, which has environmental, economic, and social dimensions, and encompasses the concept of stewardship, the responsible management of resource use. In ecology, sustainability describes how biological systems remain diverse and productive over time, a necessary precondition for the well-being of humans and other organisms. Long-lived and healthy wetlands and forests are examples of sustainable biological systems.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainability
 
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joelus said:
I read the article but unless you can point out what groups are involved I'm more inclined to treat your 'conspiracy theory' with scepticism.

As far as I can tell there is plenty of evidence that fracking in the karoo would be bad for the environment and bad for the people living there - it hasn't been convincingly demonstrated that the economic benefit outweighs this in any way.

I also see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there are special interest groups / corporations behind the Treasure the Karoo Action Group, lobbying against fracking in the karoo and I can't see what motive any such corporations would have by doing so. I see concerned citizens and residents. And since you obviously don't know of any special interest groups / corporations lobbying against fracking in the karoo either, your 'scepticism' is misplaced - you are believing something with no evidence at all!

I also see you avoid the difficult questions, like the millions of litres of water required for fracking in a desert and the millions of litres of waste product that results, while you focus on a conspiracy theory :rolleyes:

Sustainability is the future. Anything else is a waste of time.
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If we can generate billions of revenue, then polluting water sounds like a pretty small compromise
 
Since when is wind energy not dependable on renewable energy? It has a turbine, that thing requires lubrication, that uses oil.

The exact same can be said about solar panels, it is made out of Metals, they are not infinite.

My guess is that the people who promote these products have never really used them or have no idea what they are talking about. Even biological systems have a finite lifespan. Every metal or element in one way or another has a durability, even diamonds deteriorate.

The most economical and environmental friendly method of power-generation currently is Nuclear power, but the greenies will k@k their pants full if we mention that. They are trying to have their bread buttered on both ends.
 
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If we can generate billions of revenue, then polluting water sounds like a pretty small compromise
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Seriously ?

Pollute the little water the Karoo has ?

Then what ? - feed the sheep and locals with gas ?
 
daveza said:
Seriously ?

Pollute the little water the Karoo has ?

Then what ? - feed the sheep and locals with gas ?
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If the amount of money that is brought in is great enough, then buying our produce from elsewhere is an easy option.
The positives and negatives need to be weighed up against each other
 
The_Assimilator said:
It's people like JStrike - people who can't see past profit - who will ruin this planet.
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Maybe. I agree with conservation, in part, except where the economic benefit is too big to ignore. In that case, people come first
 
JStrike said:
Maybe. I agree with conservation, in part, except where the economic benefit is too big to ignore. In that case, people come first
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Only, not the people that actually lives there ...
 
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