Full HD or HD ready?

Dolby said:
42" Plasma model ...

Device? I have DSTV SD, DVD, Xbox, PS3 and computer attached - if that's what you meant ;)

Everything is crystal clear - except the computer :(
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So am I to understand that you are using HDMI / Component Video to connect the DSTV, DVD, XBox, PS3 and Computer to the TV? According to the manual, you SHOULD be using 1024 x 768.

If you are not using an HD capable connection, you can't expect HD. Have you tried using a simple VGA cable? If you're using Windows, it should automatically detect what resolutions are supported. You could experiment with that.

When you say the PC looks bad, what exactly is it about it that looks bad?

Also, what graphics card does your PC have?
 
DVD, PS3 and Xbox are all via HDMI and all set to resolution to output a resolution of720/768 (cannot select the 1st number).

DSTV is connected via standard composite cable (only a 1110i decoder - so no decent connections).

The PC is connected via the simple VGA port.

I am using Windows with an internal graphics, as this is only my media storage computer. However the options on display when connected to the TV are 1024 x 768 and not 1280 x 768.

Since the manual is saying earlier on that the best resolution is 1280 x 768, I would have thought that to be native. But I can't understand why the computer won't let me select 1280 x 768!
 
Try a cheap ATI/Nvidea card in there, should sort out your problem.
 
Dolby said:
DVD, PS3 and Xbox are all via HDMI and all set to resolution to output a resolution of720/768 (cannot select the 1st number).

DSTV is connected via standard composite cable (only a 1110i decoder - so no decent connections).

The PC is connected via the simple VGA port.

I am using Windows with an internal graphics, as this is only my media storage computer. However the options on display when connected to the TV are 1024 x 768 and not 1280 x 768.

Since the manual is saying earlier on that the best resolution is 1280 x 768, I would have thought that to be native. But I can't understand why the computer won't let me select 1280 x 768!
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From what I can understand from your posts, the 42" Plasma version supports a resolution of 1024 x 768, NOT 1280 x 768.

What is wrong with the picture that makes you say it's "crap" ? Is it fuzzy, distorted? Are you getting artifacts? Is it slow? etc
 
Perhaps it does only suppor tthat - but then I'm confused as to why manual would state best/optimal 1280 x 768 under the HDMI side?

I'm not sure what artificacts are ;) But it's got nothing to do with motion - it's actually just the text which - in amateur terms - seems out of shape slightly. With pictures I don't notice anything wrong - but as soon as we get to text, I can't read it.

I'll need to go down later and get all the info for you :/
 
I few web sites I checked do actually indicate 1024 x 768 ... so more than likely it is that.

BUt the HDMI external equipment sub section in the manual made me believe 1280 x 768 :P
 
Dolby said:
Perhaps it does only suppor tthat - but then I'm confused as to why manual would state best/optimal 1280 x 768 under the HDMI side?

I'm not sure what artificacts are ;) But it's got nothing to do with motion - it's actually just the text which - in amateur terms - seems out of shape slightly. With pictures I don't notice anything wrong - but as soon as we get to text, I can't read it.

I'll need to go down later and get all the info for you :/
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Well according to what you posted, the manual clearly states that 1024 x 768 is the resolution to use.

The problem you describe seems like a resolution problem. What generally happens is that the wrong resolution is output to the TV (too high), and the TV is unable to scale the image effectively. This causes finer details (like text) to lose their sharpness, while larger things (like pictures and video) seem fine. Try setting the resolution VERY low and see if the problem improves at all.

You could also try checking what refresh rate you are using and also checking what refresh rates the TV supports.
 
Dolby said:
I few web sites I checked do actually indicate 1024 x 768 ... so more than likely it is that.

BUt the HDMI external equipment sub section in the manual made me believe 1280 x 768 :P
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Poorly written manual :o
 
Dolby said:
I few web sites I checked do actually indicate 1024 x 768 ... so more than likely it is that.

BUt the HDMI external equipment sub section in the manual made me believe 1280 x 768 :P
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Although the set is 1024 x 768, it is 16:9 widescreen and "stretches" the pixels horizontally to fit the screen. Sources usually use square pixels, so to get the correct aspect ratio, the input should be 1280 x 768 as this is 16:9 (1024 x 768 is 4:3) or you'll get the dreaded "I see fat people" problem.

Make sense?
 
yup ... makes sense :P

Exactly what I was told before (by werner iirc).

I just thought the because the manual stated 1280 for HDMI being the best, it would be the native.

I'm going to physically count these pixels when i have time ...
 
Toxic's info in that post was wrong on two levels.

1. HD PVR service is currently 720p (Although the PVR is capable of 1080i)
2. 720p is superior to 1080i in specific circumstances only. Particularly in fast motion content acquisition - this relates particularly to sport. However for film based/movie content that is acquired and produced in 24p or 25p, 1080i is better than 720p. The interlace issue does not impact the quality and the resolution is higher.

In an ideal world Multichoice would supply movie content in 1080i and sport in 720p. Don't know if this will happen tho'.
 
killadoob said:
What is the difference between full hd and hd ready?
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Hi guys

don't know if its a SA thing but generally the confusion concerning the "full hd" versus the "HD ready" is more marketing than anything else.

'HD ready' is not an indicator of just 720p, it can mean 1080p as well.
It started as a way to separate an HDTV which has a built-in ATSC digital tuner/decoder, from a screen which has the right resolution for HD but no tuner.
'HD ready' simply implies the ability of the screen to display an HD image whether 720p or 1080p.
What we end up finding is that for the label 'HD ready' to be used a screen needs to at least be 720p and thus most 'hd ready' sets are 720p. We've come to accept 'HD ready' to mean 720p but strictly speaking they can be 1080p according to the EICTA who give requirements for the labelling.
so for marketers to differentiate between their 720p and 1080p sets, they use the term 'full hd' to signify its ability to display a 1080p resolution.

stupid i know, but 'hd ready' started as a short lived marketing gimmick to sell the non-HD tuner tv's and capitalise on the idea of HD. It backfired by their 1080p's being bundled under the same label as the 720p's, so they created the term 'full HD' and 'HD ready' became more commonly used for 720p.

shew..confusing and stupid, i know.

but one more thing, an 'HD ready' set, whether 720 or 1080, will not process a signal directly from cable OTA. it needs a HD decoder/tuner.
A HDTV can process the signal directly becuse it has a built in processor.

just thought i'll take out the spanner and add a screwdriver...hehe :D
 
unsecluded said:
Hi guys

don't know if its a SA thing but generally the confusion concerning the "full hd" versus the "HD ready" is more marketing than anything else.

'HD ready' is not an indicator of just 720p, it can mean 1080p as well.
It started as a way to separate an HDTV which has a built-in ATSC digital tuner/decoder, from a screen which has the right resolution for HD but no tuner.
'HD ready' simply implies the ability of the screen to display an HD image whether 720p or 1080p.
What we end up finding is that for the label 'HD ready' to be used a screen needs to at least be 720p and thus most 'hd ready' sets are 720p. We've come to accept 'HD ready' to mean 720p but strictly speaking they can be 1080p according to the EICTA who give requirements for the labelling.
so for marketers to differentiate between their 720p and 1080p sets, they use the term 'full hd' to signify its ability to display a 1080p resolution.

stupid i know, but 'hd ready' started as a short lived marketing gimmick to sell the non-HD tuner tv's and capitalise on the idea of HD. It backfired by their 1080p's being bundled under the same label as the 720p's, so they created the term 'full HD' and 'HD ready' became more commonly used for 720p.

shew..confusing and stupid, i know.

but one more thing, an 'HD ready' set, whether 720 or 1080, will not process a signal directly from cable OTA. it needs a HD decoder/tuner.
A HDTV can process the signal directly becuse it has a built in processor.

just thought i'll take out the spanner and add a screwdriver...hehe :D
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+1
Very succinctly put
 
I've tried explaining that to a few relatives, but with their "succinct" (:p) lack of technical knowledge, they cannot grasp the concept. For them, HDMI, HDCP and HD Ready are pretty much the same thing... Not to mention "blue rated" DVDs! :D
 
FarligOpptreden said:
I've tried explaining that to a few relatives, but with their "succinct" (:p) lack of technical knowledge, they cannot grasp the concept. For them, HDMI, HDCP and HD Ready are pretty much the same thing... Not to mention "blue rated" DVDs! :D
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Don't you mean Blue-Ray dvd's? :confused:
 
froot said:
Don't you mean Blue-Ray dvd's? :confused:
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Wow, looks like someone needs some lecturing on a thing called "sarcasm". Let me explain this one a bit... The relatives in question, who think HDMI, HDCP and HDTV are the same thing, refer this this new-fangled movie format as "blue rated" DVDs, not "Blue-Ray Discs".

Dolby said:
I love blue rated DVDs!
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Hehehe, that was the general consensus from me and my wife as well! :D
 
I got my info regarding the 1080i / 720p issue from a MyBB article, where someone from MC stated they were broadcasting in 1080i rather than 720p. They will be fixing this shortly.

And yes, I know 1080i is better for certain source material, but not very many people have sets that will take full advantage of a 1080 output.... since most people still have 720 displays. So it kind of makes sense to broadcast in a 720p format since that will be the best of the vast majority of dispalys.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I got my info regarding the 1080i / 720p issue from a MyBB article, where someone from MC stated they were broadcasting in 1080i rather than 720p. They will be fixing this shortly.

And yes, I know 1080i is better for certain source material, but not very many people have sets that will take full advantage of a 1080 output.... since most people still have 720 displays. So it kind of makes sense to broadcast in a 720p format since that will be the best of the vast majority of dispalys.
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Actually their decision to use 720p has got nothing to do with what looks best on consumers screens. It uses less bandwidth, so costs them less money.

End of story.

AFAIK the isn't a 1080i(or p) broadcast standard anyway...
 
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