Gauteng's grand switch-off plan

killadoob said:
well with everyone enjoying their luxuries thinking that they dont need to care its the government problem, come winter all hell is going to break loose

u think power shedding is bad now, wait for winter to see how many of your luxuries will work for more than 3 hours a day
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It does not rain in winter up North - so no wet coal... :rolleyes:
 
killadoob said:
well with everyone enjoying their luxuries thinking that they dont need to care its the government problem, come winter all hell is going to break loose

u think power shedding is bad now, wait for winter to see how many of your luxuries will work for more than 3 hours a day
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Again: we shouldn't be thinking of these things as luxuries.

But you're assuming that because we complain, we're not doing anything. I think we all accept that there is an issue, and it's not going to be magically solved overnight (even if the government got themselves into gear). We're just saying keep complaining; keep focus on the problem; and keep focus on the the big savings that could be made rather than the tiny savings we're making by turning off lights etc. (again, not saying that those tiny savings don't help, but they alone are not going to solve the problem).
 
CathJ said:
Again: we shouldn't be thinking of these things as luxuries.

But you're assuming that because we complain, we're not doing anything. I think we all accept that there is an issue, and it's not going to be magically solved overnight (even if the government got themselves into gear).
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Exactly. We're doing our bit, but we're not fooled into thinking if I change my light bulbs and turn off my geyser this loadshedding is going to stop. Electricity and hot water is not a luxury it is a right, but the government would have us believe otherwise; that is what we should be arguing, the complacency and speed with which we accept that on this continent.

CathJ said:
We're just saying keep complaining; keep focus on the problem; and keep focus on the the big savings that could be made rather than the tiny savings we're making by turning off lights etc. (again, not saying that those tiny savings don't help, but they alone are not going to solve the problem).
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Thats the point. Its up to the government to really give a permanent solution. Go ahead, turn off your geysers, replace your bulbs - you're still going to be loadshedded because it is not going to solve this crisis, they are VERY temporary measures which might get us through the summer. Domestic consumers are a small part of the consumption.

Don't, come winter, start complaining: "boohoo, I did everything I was asked, why was I still loadshedded?" Why? Because cutting back on domestic use alone is barely going to help.
 
killadoob said:
well with everyone enjoying their luxuries thinking that they dont need to care its the government problem, come winter all hell is going to break loose

u think power shedding is bad now, wait for winter to see how many of your luxuries will work for more than 3 hours a day
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From reading your comments in particular, I hope you're not implying that people who complain are the ones that are abusing their electrical consumption on luxuries and are not trying to save because that's exactly the feeling I'm getting.

There are many people out there that are currently (and have been) doing everything possible to reduce consumption (i.e. turning off outside lights and geysers and turning off the TV or lights or appliances when not in use), and yes, we still 'moan'. You can ascribe the pathetic levels of customer service we currently experience to consumer apathy. South Africans are too complacent and accept the norm too easily.

If we protest against the powers that be and act at the same time, this country might get somewhere; and we've seen this in action during the 'struggle'. If it worked against the previous government with regards to apartheid, why should it not work against the current government (and every government to come) with regards to service delivery.
 
Keith said:
If it worked against the previous government with regards to apartheid, why should it not work against the current government (and every government to come) with regards to service delivery.
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Numbers. Plain and simple.
 
I actually feel that the current situation affects more people than during the 'struggle'; it will ultimately affect every last South African, even the poorest of poor, whereas during the 'struggle' apathy was prevalent in many communities.
 
Moederloos said:
Numbers. Plain and simple.
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We can accept that it is a numbers game. If so, there are more numbers to draw their workforce from. More employees should be put in place because of more money being earned by more numbers. Numbers is a consequence but it is also the answer.

Lacking planning is the cause. Poor mananagement and little foresight. 15 years is enough time to increase whatever workforce, and subsequently whatever infrastructure is necessary to cater towards these increased numbers.

So no, numbers is not the cause, but merely the catalyst for a situation that should have been easily remedied. It is also the solution to the problem.
 
timgaul said:
We can accept that it is a numbers game. If so, there are more numbers to draw their workforce from. More employees should be put in place because of more money being earned by more numbers. Numbers is a consequence but it is also the answer.

Lacking planning is the cause. Poor mananagement and little foresight. 15 years is enough time to increase whatever workforce, and subsequently whatever infrastructure is necessary to cater towards these increased numbers.

So no, numbers is not the cause, but merely the catalyst for a situation that should have been easily remedied. It is also the solution to the problem.
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You misunderstood.
I meant that the ANC will win, regardless of any "protest" because they have the numbers.
 
timgaul said:
Oh, sorry. Cool, thats a given. Lets hope this Mbeki/Zuma split happens sooner than later.
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The analogy: "Would you rather be mauled to death by a bear, or eaten by a crocodile" comes to mind... :D
 
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