Gauteng's grand switch-off plan

timgaul said:
But cold showers? Why should I compromise my lifestyle for someone else's bugger up? We must continue to tighten the thumbscrews on government, until they purge those responsible. Only then will we have people who can give us viable alternatives - I don't want to be preached to by the same ijot who created this situation.

How can a deputy minister be fired for taking an unauthorised trip, yet several ministers (and a certain vice-president) keep their jobs despite plunging SA into the worst crisis since the end of Apartheid!

Yes, we will accept workable solutions. But no! We will not compromise. If this affects us adversely we must continue protesting! Don't accept, we've done too much of that already!
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My geyser is on for only +- 3 hours a day , I have never run out of hot water .

Adverse effect for me is none (summer )or minimal (maybe a very cold winter).

You should test it too.
 
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Why should South African consumers alter their lifestyle while those who are responsible for this situation don't face any consequences for their incompetence? Why should South African consumers alter their lifestyles while those responsible for this current situation continue to make it worse through their continued incompetence?
 
CathJ said:
I get what you're saying, I really do. We're in this mess, as much as we shouldn't be, and we have to find a way out.

But I still feel we should do it kicking and screaming. When we start getting complacent, and start thinking of a hot shower as a luxury, that's when we forget it was supposed to be temporary, and it just becomes normal. We forget that we're supposed to be finding a way out.

I'm not saying don't save electricity. I'm saying save where you can, but complain about it constantly.
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QFT.
 
Gooku said:
My geyser is on for only +- 3 hours a day , I have never run out of hot water .

Adverse effect for me is none (summer )or minimal (maybe a very cold winter).

You should test it too.
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I go to work in the morning, lets say 7pm. If I need to go home (especially in winter) and take a shower and run off, I want it to be warm. What if I go to dinner after work, only getting home at 11pm - I want a warm bath.

I will complain, we all must. Not to do so is an admission that we've accepted our fate. We have not! We may put certain measures in place, but I will continue to complain about the fact that I had to in the first place. Only in this way will we draw attention to the fact that we are still not happy about the situation and still unwilling to accept it. Hopefully that will lend some haste to finding more amicable solutions!
 
killadoob said:
all we do is moan like little girls about how this is not right and we should not have to do this and that but at the end of the day we have power shortages and need to find a way to resolve this issue
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If we don't do so the government is going to accept the situation as the status quo. Oh, they're not complaining, our job is done. And we will continue to suffer indefinitely. The fraction of the market that makes up the domestic consumers is minimal compared to industry. I don't use a heater in winter, I don't use an airconditioner in summer. Switching off my geyser every now and then is hardly going to reduce my consumption. Unless the government targets big industry (including mines) there is no real solution.
 
Some people just do not want problems solved , hence the reason to moan.

We do find people of that creed in every corner of the world ,just hope it is in small numbers in SA.
 
Gooku said:
Some people just do not want problems solved , hence the reason to moan.

We do find people of that creed in every corner of the world ,just hope it is in small numbers in SA.
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Hey, we want it solved that is why we moan. These interim solutions must be just that: temporary. And we should not let the government forget it either.
 
Gooku said:
I am not sure , I think it should be paid by GOV (or at least mostly subsidized )

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Could someone maybe find out?
I would do it myself, but I'm having deadline so I can't really sit on the phone... I would appreciate it - if not... ag well.
 
If they insist on someone installing it for you? Geysers are mostly inside the house, how can they expect everyone to be there during working hours???
 
icyrus said:
Why should South African consumers alter their lifestyle while those who are responsible for this situation don't face any consequences for their incompetence? Why should South African consumers alter their lifestyles while those responsible for this current situation continue to make it worse through their continued incompetence?
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your all looking at it the wrong way

your asking why should we

im telling you we have no choice

i think you all need to face the fact and reality that this is happening and we need to help fix it

its a south African mentality to say why should we help instead of how can we help

if we dont all work together we will continue to have blacksout

if bitching could create electricity we would all power the entire universe but alas bitching does not lead to power, nor does it solve the problem

anyways continue to moan and complain and not help the situation

all this moaning and blaming will eventually generate the power need :)
 
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killadoob said:
your all looking at it the wrong way

your asking why should we

im telling you we have no choice

i think you all need to face the fact and reality that this is happening and we need to help fix it
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It think we are past that point. We have kinda realised there is a problem :/

killadoob said:
its a south African mentality to say why should we help instead of how can we help

if we dont all work together we will continue to have blacks and no amount of bitching is going to generate power
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Continually complaining is going to speed up the process to a permanent solution. All you're talking about is a temporary fix. That is merely taping over the ugly bits. Its gonna break again and we're gonna be out of tape.

By complaining the government will speed up actions (especially regarding their own unique brand of red tape) to ensure proper future-proof solutions are put in place eventually.

If you stop complaining then you've given up. If you've given up you've doomed us to becoming just another African state.
 
Once again: domestic electricity consumption is a mere fraction of the consumption as a whole! Changing light bulbs and ripple switches will buy us a year or two at most. This is the African mentality of fix it when its broken, don't try to stop it breaking. The real long-term solutions are more power generation, and that is why we need to put pressure on the government.
 
timgaul said:
And therein lies the problem... this country is compromising already. Ag, a cold shower isn't bad. What, okay, no TV 2 times a week isn't bad. Hmmm... all traffic lights out isn't bad, I still get to work eventually. South Africans are terrible at just giving up! Why should we give up the luxuries we work hard for! Screw the government we should be lining the streets in protest. If this were a Scandanavian country there would be riots!
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I completely agree with you. Same with the crime situation... Oh well got hijacked at gunpoint today but thankfully the dear gentleman decided to spare my life. They are my new heroes for being so kind and thoughtful!! :sick:

I have no problem with the gov implementing workarounds till they get the problem sorted but these pricks are not welcome in my home. They will not be allowed access to my premises.
 
killadoob said:
your all looking at it the wrong way

your asking why should we

im telling you we have no choice

i think you all need to face the fact and reality that this is happening and we need to help fix it

its a south African mentality to say why should we help instead of how can we help

if we dont all work together we will continue to have blacksout

if bitching could create electricity we would all power the entire universe but alas bitching does not lead to power, nor does it solve the problem

anyways continue to moan and complain and not help the situation

all this moaning and blaming will eventually generate the power need :)
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No accepting governments bull**** and saying "thank you sir, may I please have another" is a surefire way to seal South Africa's doom.

The reason our government think they can get away with stunts like these is because past experience has taught them that they can.

The problem is not enough people complain. Not enough people demand accountability from the government. At this stage the government is technically still a civil service and we need to let them know that we haven't forgotten that they exist to serve us.

The reality of the current situation is that were are in a very bad situation courtesy of our idiot government and their even more idiotic policies. Residential power conservation may help ameliorate the situation for a little while, but while we sit with the same idiots in charge making the same stupid decisions the end result is that we just put off the inevitable.

The truth is that the average residential person has zero influence over our governments thinking, so by rolling over today we can keep those who do have influence in power and quiet, all the while the problems escalate.

What happens in winter when the meager savings of these ridiculous schemes can no longer keep the grid from falling over again? Will it be ok then when government declares that for business to carry on as usual, residences will be without power for weeks at a time?

The only people who can influence the government's actions are the big industries so it is absolutely imperative that they feel the pinch now most of all
 
jsxza said:
I completely agree with you. Same with the crime situation... Oh well got hijacked at gunpoint today but thankfully the dear gentleman decided to spare my life. They are my new heroes for being so kind and thoughtful!! :sick:

I have no problem with the gov implementing workarounds till they get the problem sorted but these pricks are not welcome in my home. They will not be allowed access to my premises.
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QFT
 
well with everyone enjoying their luxuries thinking that they dont need to care its the government problem, come winter all hell is going to break loose

u think power shedding is bad now, wait for winter to see how many of your luxuries will work for more than 3 hours a day
 
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