Gay marriages bill approved

[supersunbird]

hahaha!

 

[BeLgaRiOn]

Why do you need to differentiate?

Oi, only I'm allowed to ask rhetorical questions . ROFLMAO off at the dominee joke .

 

[Sarakael]

According to the bible the number or variety of "sins" you committed in your life in no way determines your fate - it is only a question of whether the verse that BeLgaRion quoted applies to you.

Originally Posted by BeLgaRiOn View Post
As is said, 'Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.'

I'm pretty sure that Satan believes in J E S U S (sorry the forum stars out his name for some reason) and yet he isnt in Heaven. So I guess its got to be slightly more difficult than just believing. You probably have to be a good person too or maybe follow all that stuff thats in the bible.

 

[noxibox]

I'm pretty sure that Satan believes in J E S U S (sorry the forum stars out his name for some reason) and yet he isnt in Heaven. So I guess its got to be slightly more difficult than just believing. You probably have to be a good person too or maybe follow all that stuff thats in the bible.

Believe isn't the correct term in that case. Lucifer would know Je'sus, personally I'd presume. There's no blind faith involved.

Christianity has an unresolved problem with the disparity between the old and new testaments. They just don't really convey the same attitude and requirements for not being tortured.

 

[Sarakael]

Believe isn't the correct term in that case. Lucifer would know Je'sus, personally I'd presume. There's no blind faith involved.

That really doesnt add up though. Howcome the Angels get to be in heaven? They know him personally as well and dont have blind faith.

Im sticking with my story about how you have to be a good person too

 

[noxibox]

That really doesnt add up though. Howcome the Angels get to be in heaven? They know him personally as well and dont have blind faith.

Im sticking with my story about how you have to be a good person too

I wasn't aware that you didn't have the background on the political intrigue in heaven The gist is that Lucifer questioned God's place as dictator for life, so God threw him out. The rest of the angels are all loyal followers of the God regime and are therefore allowed to live in heaven.

Wow, imagine the consequences of the widespread adherence to the belief that being a good person would get you into heaven. Although I don't know how long it would last before some dimwit would weigh it down with dogma. People do love their dogma.

 

[Sarakael]

You are right. Prehaps its better to be a horrible person but have faith.

 

[BeLgaRiOn]

You need to read the whole passage:

Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
Joh 3:21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been carried out in God."

Basically, follow the Son's example and live a good life. Repent your sins. Another point...nowhere in the Bible did J e s u s condemn or speak out against homosexuals.

I have some gay friends who are good people. They have excellent morals and are outstanding citizens and as such are good rolemodels. Just because their sexuality differs does not make them evil.

 

[LabAnimal]

I CAN'T believe you lot are still on about this topic - i'm starting to seriously believe that you homophobes trying SO hard to throw the bible and what's right in your view into this thread are trying to cover up howmuch you're actually craving to be homosexual yourself - GET over it allready - Let us fags Marry if we want to get married, and for those like me that don't give a damn - leave us alone aswell - you go play butch in your corner.

Nuff said.

 

[BeLgaRiOn]

I CAN'T believe you lot are still on about this topic - i'm starting to seriously believe that you homophobes trying SO hard to throw the bible and what's right in your view into this thread are trying to cover up howmuch you're actually craving to be homosexual yourself - GET over it allready - Let us fags Marry if we want to get married, and for those like me that don't give a damn - leave us alone aswell - you go play butch in your corner.

Nuff said.

Lol, doesn't it feel good to vent? On a side note, this is an age old argument and will never be resolved... people are entitled to their opinions as long as it does not impact on the rights of others.

P.S. Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience

 

[LabAnimal]

Lol, doesn't it feel good to vent? On a side note, this is an age old argument and will never be resolved... people are entitled to their opinions as long as it does not impact on the rights of others.

P.S. Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience

Yea - its good to vent. I think i've expressed enough how i feel about this issue. - I'm not mad about the idea of getting married, however its nice to have the option as my better half has been asking if we should...

What irritates me so much is that people think they can preach bible verses etc to prove they are right. I don't care who's right. I don't care if people believe in God, or Satan or the Cats of Egypt - Alot of People - not just gay DON'T believe or care about the bible - so please: SPARE us the boring poetry!.

I live a pretty ordinary life, I wake up, i say good morning to the man in my life. I go to work, bring in money, feed the cats, get fat along with the cats, pay bills, bitch about telkom, watch a movie, and when necessary satisfy my sexual need whenever we feel in the mood. RINGS a bell Str8 People???

Its all much the same. I don't sit and fantasize about which V@ginal distress your girlfriend gets up to in bed with you because you're str8! - Why sould any str8 people get all worked up and worry how an@l us Gay people get inbed!. - GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY.

I don't care about the bad history against gay people, nor the history about the union between a man and a woman - its all man made beliefs whichever way you want to look at it. I don't care for them - never have, never will.

I could preach on about being gay could be a choice or it is genetic or it was alien intervention or or or... I'm living now. I have to make the best of happiness, my sexual needs, my desires and survive and enjoy my life. I won't stop my way of living just because some prat says its wrong - I really don't care.

What i will agree on - is that I will be there when when MyADSL throws the biggest get-together party once our telecoms issues are on the mend. Because this forum actually isnt about which guy is poking which guy, its about beating our telecoms problems... So lets leave this BORING marrage topic to those who wants to get married - and move on. If you are against it - Shutup, we dont care.

Thank you for those who supports the gay community and our views of being equal - To hell with the rest of you.

 

[ajax]

I'm pretty sure that Satan believes in J E S U S (sorry the forum stars out his name for some reason) and yet he isnt in Heaven. So I guess its got to be slightly more difficult than just believing. You probably have to be a good person too or maybe follow all that stuff thats in the bible.

I should have elaborated on that yes, but didn't out of not wanting to be accused of preaching, lol.
I will try to summarise by means of an example about Moby getting caught for speeding: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=692847#post692847

Moby gets caught speeding at 185km/h on the N3 to Joburg. This is against the law. Moby goes to court and the judge tells him he will have to cough up R100 000. Moby is in tears as he does not have the money. In walks a complete stranger and says:"Hey judge, If Moby promises to not do it again, ever, I will pay his fine!".

Scenario 1: Moby falls at the stranger's feet thanking him for paying his fine, Moby promises to not do it again, ever, and to always obey the law. Moby walks free.

Scenario 2: Moby says to the stranger:"You are not good enough for me, I can make it on my own!" Moby spends the rest of his life paying off the fine.

So, what John 3:16 means (taken in context with the rest of the bible)
If you realise that you have broken G0d's law, i.e. the 10 commandments, and accept and believe that J*sus paid your debt in your place fully, and obey him as best you can from then on, you will go to heaven.

 

[sparklehorse]

A few problems with that analogy: You base it on the provision that what the bible tells you is actually god's word, and that you will go to heaven when you do what it says. You can't prove either. But it's pretty easy to verify what happended too poor old Moby.

 

[Wiehan]

I wonder how long its going to be before God turns Cape Town and Johannesburg into the new Sodom and Gomorrah

Luckily I'm safe in PE

Welcome in South Africa Mr Fred Phelps. Like America, eh? (Unless I got it wrong and you're only being sarcastic.)

Most religions or rather religious texts are silent on the matter of slavery, or do not speak out blatantly against it leading people to believe that it is accepted, while many religions do speak out blatantly against homosexuality.

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

I quoted Leviticus, since that's what you quoted. Quite silent, aren't they?