Genocide in Iraq

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More specifically Fallujah...
In September 2009, Fallujah General Hospital had 170 new born babies, 24% of whom were dead within the first seven days, a staggering 75% of the dead babies were classified as deformed.

This can be compared with data from the month of August in 2002 where there were 530 new born babies of whom six were dead within the first seven days and only one birth defect was reported.

Doctors in Fallujah have specifically pointed out that not only are they witnessing unprecedented numbers of birth defects but premature births have also considerably increased after 2003. But what is more alarming is that doctors in Fallujah have said, “a significant number of babies that do survive begin to develop severe disabilities at a later stage”...

The use of certain weapons has tremendous repercussions. Iraq will become a country, if it has not already done so, where it is advisable not to have children. Other countries will watch what has happened in Iraq, and imitate the Coalition Allies’ total disregard of the United Nations Charter, The Geneva, and Hague Conventions, and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. Some countries, such as Afghanistan, will also come to experience the very long term damage to the environment, measured in billions of years, and the devastating effect of depleted uranium and white phosphorous munitions
http://www.unobserver.com/layout5.php?id=6744&blz=1

Graphic pictures:
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/wpg2?g2_itemId=1009

Up to 6000 civilians were killed throughout the operation.[40] Residents were allowed to return to the city in mid-December after undergoing biometric identification, provided they carry their ID cards all the time. US officials report that "more than half of Fallujah's 39,000 homes were damaged, and about 10,000 of those were destroyed." Compensation amounts to 20 percent of the value of damaged houses, with an estimated 32,000 homeowners eligible, according to Marine Lt. Col. William Brown.[41] According to the NBC,[42] 9,000 homes were destroyed, thousands more were damaged and of the 32,000 compensation claims only 2,500 had been paid as of April 14, 2005. According to Mike Marqusee of Iraq Occupation Focus writing in The Guardian,[43] "Falluja's compensation commissioner has reported that 36,000 of the city's 50,000 homes were destroyed, along with 60 schools and 65 mosques and shrines". Reconstruction is only progressing slowly and mainly consists of clearing rubble from heavily-damaged areas and reestablishing basic utility services. This is also due to the fact that only 10% of the pre-offensive inhabitants had returned as of mid-January, and only 30% as of the end of March 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Fallujah

There's a picture that I cannot forget. An old woman with three children, I saw her on the street and took a picture of her and the children.

She said: "We don't have any men here, can anyone help us?" Many of the men from Fallujah worked in Baghdad, once the city was sealed off they could not get back to their wives and children.

So, some men helped her, I decided to film the scene and then I sat down to smoke.

Ten minutes later, an ambulance came down the road. I ran to follow the ambulance and when they opened the door, I saw the same woman and her children - but they were in pieces.

I still remember the nurses couldn't carry the woman because she was in too many pieces, people were jumping back when they saw it. Then, one nurse shouted: "Hey, she looks like your mother."

In the Iraqi language that means: "She could be your mother, so treat her like you'd treat your mom." Everyone stood up and tried to carry a piece because they needed to get her out quickly, because the ambulance was needed for other people.

We were standing in front of the main hospital, but we would have needed 12 cameramen in order to cover all that happened that day.

There were five, six ambulances coming and going with dead and injured people. When I filmed people inside the hospital, there were so many outside. When I filmed outside, there were so many inside.

Me and all of the Al Jazeera crew, we felt paralysed. It was bigger than us. We were only two cameramen and two reporters. It's not enough.

Reporters, editors in Doha and Baghdad, the people of Fallujah, all of them kept calling for us to film what was happening, and the ambulances just kept coming and going.

We heard people screaming inside the hospital, because they did not have any drugs left. They had to cut legs without anything at all.
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/04/200948132212418175.html

Burhan Fasa’a, an Iraqi journalist who worked for the Lebanese satellite TV station, LBC and who was in Fallujah for nine days during the most intense combat, said Americans grew easily frustrated with Iraqis who could not speak English.

“Americans did not have interpreters with them,” Fasa’a said, “so they entered houses and killed people because they didn’t speak English. They entered the house where I was with 26 people, and [they] shot people because [the people] didn’t obey [the soldiers’] orders, even just because the people couldn’t understand a word of English.” He also added, “Soldiers thought the people were rejecting their orders, so they shot them. But the people just couldn’t understand them.”

A man named Khalil, who asked not to use his last name for fear of reprisals, said he had witnessed the shooting of civilians who were waving white flags while they tried to escape the city.

“I watched them roll over wounded people in the street with tanks,” said Kassem Mohammed Ahmed, a resident of Fallujah. “This happened so many times.”

Other refugees recounted similar stories. “I saw so many civilians killed there, and I saw several tanks roll over the wounded in the streets,” said Aziz Abdulla, 27 years old, who fled the fighting last November. Another resident, Abu Aziz, said he also witnessed American armored vehicles crushing people he believes were alive.

Abdul Razaq Ismail, another resident who fled Fallujah, said: “I saw dead bodies on the ground and nobody could bury them because of the American snipers. The Americans were dropping some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah.”

A man called Abu Hammad said he witnessed US troops throwing Iraqi bodies into the Euphrates River. Abu Hammed and others also said they saw Americans shooting unarmed Iraqis who waved white flags.

Believing that American and Iraqi forces were bent on killing anyone who stayed in Fallujah, Hammad said he watched people attempt to swim across the Euphrates to escape the siege. “Even then the Americans shot them with rifles from the shore,” he said. “Even if some of them were holding a white flag or white clothes over their heads to show they are not fighters, they were all shot.”

Associated Press photographer Bilal Hussein reported witnessing similar events. After running out of basic necessities and deciding to flee the city at the height of the US-led assault, Hussein ran to the Euphrates.

“I decided to swim,” Hussein told colleagues at the AP, who wrote up the photographer’s harrowing story, “but I changed my mind after seeing US helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the river.”

Hussein said he saw soldiers kill a family of five as they tried to traverse the Euphrates, before he buried a man by the riverbank with his bare hands.

“I kept walking along the river for two hours and I could still see some US snipers ready to shoot anyone who might swim,” Hussein recounted. “I quit the idea of crossing the river and walked for about five hours through orchards.”

A man named Khalil, who asked not to use his last name for fear of reprisals, said he had witnessed the shooting of civilians who were waving white flags while they tried to escape the city. “They shot women and old men in the streets,” he said. “Then they shot anyone who tried to get their bodies.”

“There are bodies the Americans threw in the river,” Khalil continued, noting that he personally witnessed US troops using the Euphrates to dispose of Iraqi dead. “And anyone who stayed thought they would be killed by the Americans, so they tried to swim across the river. Even people who couldn’t swim tried to cross the river. They drowned rather than staying to be killed by the Americans,” said Khalil.
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/fallujah-revisited

What about the Sunni vs Shia killings?
The Shia led interim government was in power during this and many other sieges in Iraq, this was perceived as a massacre of Sunnis by the Shia and coalition forces in power and what followed was a circle of violence/massacres.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
The media has failed in covering this genocide.
 
Well what AL is describing is not real genocide, its just a cheap usage of the word for tacky political gain.
 

Without a doubt...
Thousands of civilians were killed during the anti-insurgent campaigns stretching from the spring of 1987 through the fall of 1988. The attacks were part of a long-standing campaign that destroyed almost every Kurdish village in areas of northern Iraq where pro-Iranian insurgents were based and displaced at least a million of the country's estimated 3.5 million Kurdish population. Independent sources estimate 100,000 to more than 150,000 deaths and as many as 100,000 widows and an even greater number of orphans.[4] Amnesty International collected the names of more than 17,000 people who had "disappeared" during 1988.[5] The campaign has been characterized as genocidal in nature. It is also characterized as gendercidal, because "battle-age" men were the primary targets, according to Human Rights Watch/Middle East.[6] According to the Iraqi prosecutors, as many as 180,000 people were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign
The US wanted Saddam to crush the Iranians by any means, they enabled him and gave him the weapons to do it.
 
Really good wiki article on identifying real genocide:

Stage Characteristics Preventive measures
1.
Classification People are divided into "us and them". "The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend... divisions."
2.
Symbolization "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..." "To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden as can hate speech".
3.
Dehumanization "One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases." "Local and international leaders should condemn the use of hate speech and make it culturally unacceptable. Leaders who incite genocide should be banned from international travel and have their foreign finances frozen."
4.
Organization "Genocide is always organized... Special army units or militias are often trained and armed..." "The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations"
5.
Polarization "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..." "Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups...Coups d’état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions."
6.
Preparation "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity..." "At this stage, a Genocide Emergency must be declared. ..."
7.
Extermination "It is "extermination" to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human." "At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection."
8.
Denial "The perpetrators... deny that they committed any crimes..." "The response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts."

In 1996 Gregory Stanton the president of Genocide Watch presented a briefing paper called "The 8 Stages of Genocide" at the United States Department of State.[62] In it he suggested that genocide develops in eight stages that are "predictable but not inexorable".[62][63]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Stages_of_genocide_and_efforts_to_prevent_it

Theres a real life genocide happening right now :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur No two guesses at what religion is involved :(
 
I can read into the way you are posting that you dont care about people in a real genocide, if you did you would be jumping up and down about Sudan, you are more interested in pushing tacky political propaganda stories that water down the meaning of genocide.

Your posts are not done out of any humanatarian concern, but rather a religiously motivated political agenda. Even if you claim you are not religious.

Thats how I read your post and you.
 
I can read into the way you are posting that you dont care about people in a real genocide, if you did you would be jumping up and down about Sudan
from your link...
While the United States government has described the conflict as genocide,[19] the UN has not recognized the conflict as such.[20]. On 31 January 2005, the UN released a 176-page report saying that while there were mass murders and rapes of Darfurian civilians, they could not label the atrocities as "genocide" because "genocidal intent appears to be missing".[21][22] Many activists, however, refer to the crisis in Darfur as genocide, including the Save Darfur Coalition and the Genocide Intervention Network. These organizations point to statements by former United States Secretary of State Colin Powell, referring to the conflict as genocide. Other activist organizations, such as Amnesty International, while calling for international intervention, avoid the use of the term genocide.
I don't have a good picture of Sudan and the media does not cover it enough for me to get a good picture.
 
It's not genocide by the US Government per se, I should make that clear but more by group/individuals in the military and contractors who are guilty of genocide/war crimes like Erik Prince who had a role in this and he is a genocidal maniac:
In early August 2009, sworn affidavits lodged at a Virginia court in the USA contained various allegations against Blackwater, including murder, weapons smuggling, and the deliberate slaughter of civilians, with claims that founder Erik Prince had organised the murder of former employees co-operating with US federal investigators.[104] In one of the affidavits a former employee who served for 4 years in Blackwater and was a former US marine, alleged that Mr Prince;

“views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe...To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide
 
from your link...

I don't have a good picture of Sudan and the media does not cover it enough for me to get a good picture.

I stand to be corrected, but reading this:

On 14 July 2008, The Prosecutor filed ten charges of war crimes against Sudan's incumbent President Omar al-Bashir, three counts of genocide, five of crimes against humanity and two of murder. The Prosecutor has claimed that Mr. al-Bashir "masterminded and implemented a plan to destroy in substantial part" three tribal groups in Darfur because of their ethnicity. The Prosecutor is expected within months to ask a panel of ICC judges to issue an arrest warrant for al-Bashir.[23] Leaders from three Darfur tribes are suing ICC prosecutor Luis-Moreno Ocampo for libel, defamation, and igniting hatred and tribalism.[39]
After an arrest warrant was issued for the Sudanese president in March 2009, the Prosecutor appealed to have the genocide charges added. However, the Pre-Trial Chamber found that there was no reasonable ground to support the contention that he had a specific intent to commit genocide (dolus specialis), which is an intention to destroy, in whole or in part, a protected group. The definition adopted by the Pre-Trial Chamber, though unreasonably high as it seems on the face of it, is the definition of the Genocide Convention, the Rome Statute, and some ICTY cases. This definition has recently been reaffirmed and discussed by the International Court of Justice in the Genocide case at some length (Bosnia v. Serbia) and the Pre-Trial Chamber cited the ICJ judgment with approval.

He is being charged with genocide if I read that right. The UN afaik have being useless calling genocide genocide. They took forever to do it in Rwanda.
 
I can read into the way you are posting that you dont care about people in a real genocide, if you did you would be jumping up and down about Sudan, you are more interested in pushing tacky political propaganda stories that water down the meaning of genocide.

Your posts are not done out of any humanatarian concern, but rather a religiously motivated political agenda. Even if you claim you are not religious.

Thats how I read your post and you.

Good post, couldn't agree more
 
Yes its hard not to notice the nonsense Aqua_lung spews out on myBB.


I can read into the way you are posting that you dont care about people in a real genocide, if you did you would be jumping up and down about Sudan, you are more interested in pushing tacky political propaganda stories that water down the meaning of genocide.

Your posts are not done out of any humanatarian concern, but rather a religiously motivated political agenda. Even if you claim you are not religious.

Thats how I read your post and you.

No pulling the wool over their eyes !!!!!
 
I believe that Iraq will have these problems for decades to come.

Falluja was a test ground for many new weapons, and was assaulted for weeks by coalition forces. Not to mention it has the highest amount of depleted uranium used by the Tanks. Children end up playing with this depleted uranium and radiate themselves.

This is going to be a huge issue for the future, and as of yet, there has been no cleanup process to retrieve this radio active material.

It's going to be another mini Hiroshima, without the atomic bomb.
 
I believe that Iraq will have these problems for decades to come.
True, it appears the Islamist sects (sunni vs shia) are hell-bent on destroying each other, just like they do in other Islamist countries like Pakistan.
 
I believe that Iraq will have these problems for decades to come.

Falluja was a test ground for many new weapons, and was assaulted for weeks by coalition forces. Not to mention it has the highest amount of depleted uranium used by the Tanks. Children end up playing with this depleted uranium and radiate themselves.

This is going to be a huge issue for the future, and as of yet, there has been no cleanup process to retrieve this radio active material.
Yeah... thing is that DU kills off any chance of having normal offspring, some US soldiers also exposed themselves. The fact that DU takes away the right for someone to ever produce a normal child imo is a form of genocide.
 
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