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buka001 said:
Yes and?

Still doesn't detract from the fact that trained National Guardsmen killed unarmed students.
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Christ you're bringing up 1970's problems in 2020. You're truly indoctrinated to the core aren't you?

You know the nazis gassed jews in fake shower rooms after enslaving them. You know Stalin purged millions of people under his regime?
 
buka001 said:
Sigh

Police are trained as riot control.

So is the National Guard. Using their training, the National Guard killed 4 students who were protesting Nixon bombing Cambodia.

Bringing the military in brings in a sense of escalation, which leads to over reactions like Kent State.
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POTUS cannot deploy police. That's up to each State. Trump made the military available for action in the case of inaction by the States. Trump is doing this so it looks like he is doing something. And it's the right thing. What's so hard to understand?

I just give up. If you cannot see that rioters rioting do not trump everyone else's rights (which is what you are essentially calling for because you are afraid of by standers getting hurt), and you don't agree with controlling measures, then the right to assembly cannot be upheld. You understand that rioters use innocent public members to shield them too, right?

When do you escalate then, buka? People are dying. Buildings are being set alight with people INSIDE of them. Personal property is being destroyed. EMS is being prevented from entering areas. Mass looting is taking place. So, tell us when it's acceptable to enforce the law?

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What does the police are trained as riot control even mean? Are you debating for the police to come in and quell the situation?
 
Fok, naar mense.

A white guy kills a black guy.

Black people go berzerk.

Trump tries to control them so they don't pillage everything.

TRUMP MUST FALL! TRUMP MUST FALL!
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Under what circumstances did casualties arise? Unarmed or not, it is a matter of establishing the facts.
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Students refusing to disperse in protest to the illegal bombing of Cambodia.

Trigger happy Guardsmen, with their training. They ushered the students by chasing them with fixed bayonets.

Even after they killed 4 students and woinded 9 others, they still refused to disperse. Were even more stubborn. A professor went forward and begged the students to go, otherwise the Guardsmen would have kept shooting, as they had warned.

No Guardsmen were injured. One campus policeman was hit by a rock earlier that day.

These are the trained riot control units everyone wants.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I am not a specialist, but what is he planning to do with that rifle in a close urban environment? Isn't he suppose to be identified for a advantage point for threat coverage or did Trump pick the first guy holding a BFG? Also, his weapon is spec for the wrong OP, in my opinion.

This may very well be a selective pic or one created for the purpose of creating insecurity for Trump.
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Nor am I

From the comments, I think it’s some of these guys.

local12.com

Secret Service sniper team explain role in president's protection

UNITED NATIONS (CBS News) - President Barack Obama was in New York Sunday morning for the start of the United Nations General Assembly.Hundreds of secret service members watch the president's every move.The Secret Service's Elite Counter Sniper Team are
local12.com local12.com
 
Okay, it is real,

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makes sense now that I understand exactly where this took place after looking at Google Maps.
 
buka001 said:
Students refusing to disperse in protest to the illegal bombing of Cambodia.

Trigger happy Guardsmen, with their training. They ushered the students by chasing them with fixed bayonets.

Even after they killed 4 students and woinded 9 others, they still refused to disperse. Were even more stubborn. A professor went forward and begged the students to go, otherwise the Guardsmen would have kept shooting, as they had warned.

No Guardsmen were injured. One campus policeman was hit by a rock earlier that day.

These are the trained riot control units everyone wants.
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And I’m sure burka is going to provide evidence that they haven’t improved in 50 years, and they have not dome anything right since then.

And of course the 1970 thing was caused by MAGA’s.
 
Emjay said:
POTUS cannot deploy police. That's up to each State. Trump made the military available for action in the case of inaction by the States. Trump is doing this so it looks like he is doing something. And it's the right thing. What's so hard to understand?

I just give up. If you cannot see that rioters rioting do not trump everyone else's rights (which is what you are essentially calling for because you are afraid of by standers getting hurt), and you don't agree with controlling measures, then the right to assembly cannot be upheld. You understand that rioters use innocent public members to shield them too, right?

When do you escalate then, buka? People are dying. Buildings are being set alight with people INSIDE of them. Personal property is being destroyed. EMS is being prevented from entering areas. Mass looting is taking place. So, tell us when it's acceptable to enforce the law?

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What does the police are trained as riot control even mean? Are you debating for the police to come in and quell the situation?
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When people start talking, when Trump comes out and asks to talk to people then this will change.

Until then violence will just be met with more violence.

Of course the National Guard will calm it down, but at what cost.

What opportunity has been lost from when this started, by the dithering that Trump has done?
 
Pegasus said:
Nor am I

From the comments, I think it’s some of these guys.

local12.com

Secret Service sniper team explain role in president's protection

UNITED NATIONS (CBS News) - President Barack Obama was in New York Sunday morning for the start of the United Nations General Assembly.Hundreds of secret service members watch the president's every move.The Secret Service's Elite Counter Sniper Team are
local12.com local12.com
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I didn't know the White House was within throwing distance. I was like that isn't very tactical until I looked at the terrain. The US president had more coverage than a single-pole dancer, and they most likely did a prearranged 'walk' so the specialist had a reactionary purpose. Also, the buildings surrounding them are close to all high value.
 
buka001 said:
When people start talking, when Trump comes out and asks to talk to people then this will change.

Until then violence will just be met with more violence.

Of course the National Guard will calm it down, but at what cost.

What opportunity has been lost from when this started, by the dithering that Trump has done?
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Trump has spoken out public ally a few times. He has prepared the Military. More than the Democrats running those States.

You are just so Trump deluded you have lost all common sense.
 
lol ...so like

buka001 said:
How do the Governors separate peaceful protestors from criminals?
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buka001 said:
So how should they dominate and how do they differentiate from peaceful protestors and the criminals?
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you either disperse all the protesters or you let the possible criminals in the crowd run rampant

which one would you think is more safe for a president. after all, how do you differentiate the criminals and non.


TysonRoux said:
South African Trumptards believe that the Yanks should learn a lesson from them in dealing with protesters.

www.aljazeera.com

South Africa remembers Marikana miners killed by police

No one has been charged five years after the massacre, in which 34 miners were shot and killed by police.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com


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where are all the sob stories for the people the miners killed, or is that now irrelevant? what do you think would have happened to the police once the weapon wielding protesters reached them..

scudsucker said:
Jackie boy, thats a hell of a lot of questions more than your average of one per post.

I wonder, did you write them all yourself?
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yeah never mind that why does that matter. are those questions factual!? wtf


people crying over peaceful protesters while their country burns from rioters, then attack those that try quell the rioting. its like a virus turning the countries own anti bodies against itself... now where have i heard something similar recently :unsure:
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I didn't know the White House was within throwing distance. I was like that isn't very tactical until I looked at the terrain. The US president had more coverage than a single-pole dancer, and they most likely did a prearranged 'walk' so the specialist had a reactionary purpose. Also, the buildings surrounding them are close to all high value.
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Hope the secret service didn't trace your IP.
 
Emjay said:
Trump has spoken out public ally a few times. He has prepared the Military. More than the Democrats running those States.

You are just so Trump deluded you have lost all common sense.
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Yep.
He even quotes Trumps speech in this very thread. Just hours ago. Now he claims he was quiet and said nothing.
 
Emjay said:
POTUS cannot deploy police. That's up to each State. Trump made the military available for action in the case of inaction by the States. Trump is doing this so it looks like he is doing something. And it's the right thing. What's so hard to understand?

I just give up. If you cannot see that rioters rioting do not trump everyone else's rights (which is what you are essentially calling for because you are afraid of by standers getting hurt), and you don't agree with controlling measures, then the right to assembly cannot be upheld. You understand that rioters use innocent public members to shield them too, right?

When do you escalate then, buka? People are dying. Buildings are being set alight with people INSIDE of them. Personal property is being destroyed. EMS is being prevented from entering areas. Mass looting is taking place. So, tell us when it's acceptable to enforce the law?

Edit:

What does the police are trained as riot control even mean? Are you debating for the police to come in and quell the situation?
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Some people will only think as far as their personal preference goes.

As for the police, if they are trained for things like this, then why not. Surely they are not all racist - or are they if they are white? Or are they if they are black?
 
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