George Floyd death

[Emjay]

What part of "They get reported and removed" don't you get? I have reported a few blatantly racist posts in my time and they all got removed....

And who were the authors of these posts?

Edit:

I am not denying that there is racism. I am challenging the stereotype that all racists are Trump supporters.

 

[wingnut771]

Because police tend to use disproportionately insane amount of force against them. I linked a Reddit post where a man called the police after catching a thief in his bottle store.

Decatur police officer punches liquor store owner who reported robbery

Police accused the owner of obstructing their investigation, but the man's lawyer says he was holding the robber at gunpoint.

www.al.com

easy solution: wear a suite and tie.

 

[TysonRoux]

Trumptard trigger

Trump's tweet on injured 75-year-old man shows there's no bottom


If there is one constant to President Donald Trump's chaotic and capricious administration, it is that there is no bottom. Just when you think his behavior can't get worse -- less honest, more inflammatory -- the President takes the mic or pulls up Twitter and breaks new ground in how low he and his administration can go.

And if there is one constant to Republicans in Congress, it is that most of them are spineless cowards, pretending they don't know what the President is up to while tacitly enabling him.


The latest low: The President's conspiracy-mongering about an attack on an elderly man who suffered a critical head injury that sent him to intensive care after he was pushed to the ground by police at a protest in Buffalo. And then broader silence and denial from prominent Republicans.

On Tuesday morning, the President tweeted a right-wing conspiracy theory that the man, 75-year-old Martin Gugino, "could be an ANTIFA provocateur" who "was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment." The President continued by saying, "I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?"

A video, which we can all watch with our own eyes, shows an officer pushing the clearly elderly Gugino, who falls to the ground where he lies, unmoving, as he bleeds from the head. The other officers simply step around him. One appears to begin to help, but is guided away by his colleague. Two officers were suspended after the incident.
Gugino is a longtime activist, and a member of nonprofits that focus on affordable housing and human rights.

There's no evidence he is an "ANTIFA provocateur," nor that he faked a fall that left him bleeding from his ear and landed him in the hospital, nor that he was aiming a scanner (or that giving an old man a head injury would be the proper response to someone aiming a scanner), nor that there was any "set up" involved.


The President's potentially defamatory tweet deserves, like so many of his actions, swift response and condemnation. But members of his own party are so gutless and craven they deny having seen the tweet to begin with, presumably so that they might escape having to comment on it, or refuse to comment all together.

"I didn't see it," Marco Rubio told CNN's Manu Raju. "You're telling me about it. I don't read Twitter. I only write on it." John Cornyn also claimed to have totally missed it, and that "a lot of this stuff just goes over my head." Dan Sullivan declined even to look when Raju tried to show him the tweet. Kelly Loeffler refused to answer Raju's question about it. Lamar Alexander said he was "not going to give a running commentary on the President's tweets." Rick Scott claimed he didn't see the tweet, and that while he did watch the video of Gugino being shoved to the ground, he nonetheless didn't really know what happened. Mike Braun said he had no comment, but that the President "tweets a lot so I don't know how significant this one tweet is gonna be."

Even the very few Republicans who did comment had little to say. Mitt Romney at least called the President's tweet a "shocking thing to say," but then refused to "dignify it with any further comments."

 

[ForceFate]

One example.

If there is so much racism on these forums, it would be easy to point them out, don't you think?

Yes, people are racist. Let's try not to stereotype while we attack those that are racist. Is that too much to ask for?

Blatant racism gets deleted.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I see Eusebius McKaiser wrote an exclusive opinion piece published in The Guardian, any it is paywalled, hence I will snip,

We know from South Africa that toppling statues is no silver bullet – but it's a start

Eusebius McKaiser

...

Statues should be toppled if they are forms of symbolic violence. One cannot be glib about how iconography impacts our relationship to public spaces. We do not routinely erect statues and monuments to shame a historical figure. We do so typically to remember them fondly, to recognise their place in history affirmatively. The idea that a statue of Cecil John Rhodes on Oxford’s High Street could be neutral is not tenable. That statue is an affirmation of his legacy rather than a critical engagement with it.

A statue in a museum, with appropriate accompaniments such as explanatory notes, couldconstitute an act of remembering. But giant statues of colonial men who plundered parts of the world such as southern Africa for racist colonial ends are representations of symbolic violence. These statues show a wilful disregard for the dignity of the victims of colonial heritage. The debate should be about what to do with the toppled statues and not whether to topple them. They belong in a museum with an accurate historical account of the sins of these men.

...

There is, however, an important moral here about the limits of toppling a statue: while the reduction in symbolic violence is inherently good, it cannot be the main goal of protesting. Hegemonic structures outlast transient activism. Institutions such as UCT and Oxford University need to become more than just safer spaces for everyone. They need to be more deeply committed to the larger project of decoloniality.

Once we shift the goal to this more burdensome concept, however, it means that protest success must – again – be measured in terms of changes in student and staff demography, iconography in general, curriculum changes, and dismantling the remnants of white supremacy and unearned privileges that some enjoy within these institutions. This, in turn, requires intergenerational connections to ensure that the gains of a previous cohort do not lie dormant. Deeper work is necessary to get us where we want to be. And this deeper work could expose the limits of solidarity with white allies, who may find their own interests and relationships under uncomfortable scrutiny.

The point is simple yet challenging: toppling the statues of racists is necessary but not sufficient to achieve an anti-racist society.

now I don't know to which exact audience he is talking to, and I haven't posted his piece in its entirety, but I am uncertain what he is trying to get at though I can make my own assumptions.

I have never heard the term decoloniality applied here other than in studies, but I see it applied in the article, wondering whether McKaiser's opinion piece has been edited. The term decolonisation is applied here and used by McKaiser in debate. Decoloniality is not decolonization, postcolonialism or postmodernity.

The part I have underlined, not sure to what he is alluding to, but it sounds pretty exclusive to achieve a goal.

 

[Cray]

And who were the authors of these posts?

The ones I reported are no longer part of the forum..

 

[scudsucker]

One example.

I gave you one, @abzo gave you one. That would be a total of two.

Unless you need me to prove mathematically that one and one make two?

 

[azbob]

And who were the authors of these posts?

Edit:

I am not denying that there is racism. I am challenging the stereotype that all racists are Trump supporters.

No one said that all racists are Trump supporters. What was said was that Trump supporters are disproportionately racist.

 

[TysonRoux]

Trigger incoming for the Orange Dotard and his redneck Trumptards.

Researchers asked hundreds of George Floyd protesters about the 2020 election. All said they'd vote for Biden over Trump or anyone else.

A new study based on interviews with hundreds of protesters at recent demonstrations in multiple cities found nearly total opposition to President Donald Trump and strong support for former Vice President Joe Biden. To the surprise of one of the study’s coordinators, sociologist Dana Fisher...

www.businessinsider.com.au

Researchers asked hundreds of George Floyd protesters about the 2020 election. All said they'd vote for Biden over Trump or anyone else.

• A new study based on interviews with hundreds of protesters at recent demonstrations in multiple cities found nearly total opposition to President Donald Trump and strong support for former Vice President Joe Biden.
• To the surprise of one of the study’s coordinators, sociologist Dana Fisher, every respondent said they would support Biden in the 2020 election.
• The findings show how the demonstrations against police violence against Black Americans have transformed into an anti-Trump movement.
• The president has done little more than tweet in response to the demands of protesters.
• The study also showed white people made up a majority of participants across all protest events.
• Visit Business Insider’s homepage for more stories.

Researchers studying the massive protests catalyzed by the brutal death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police uncovered surprising findings on the 2020 presidential race – unanimous support for former Vice President Joe Biden among protesters who responded when asked who they would vote for if the election were held tomorrow.

Most white Americans now say racism is a ‘big problem’ in their country

The study found that people consistently reported being motivated to participate in the protests because of issues regarding police brutality, racial justice, and equity. But the findings also showed that Trump was a key factor in motivating people to take to the streets. In Washington over the weekend, for example, 45% of respondents cited Trump as their motivation for participating in the demonstrations.

The president, who has a well-documented record of racist statements, took a negative tone toward protesters even before he took office. Though the recent protests over police brutality have largely been peaceful, Trump has focused heavily on instances of violence, rioting, and looting. He’s blamed these incidents on antifa, a loosely affiliated group of left-wing anti-fascist activists. But there’s little evidence to support this.

 

[Emjay]

No one said that all racists are Trump supporters. What was said was that Trump supporters are disproportionately racist.

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Still does not change the fact that you failed to prove your assertion.

Good day to you too.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Imagine waking up after a 10 year coma these days?

 

[scudsucker]

The ones I reported are no longer part of the forum..

Which, in itself, should give you pause to think, Emjay.

Let me help you think.

Why are the posts that @Cray is referencing no longer visible?

What could have happened to them, and crucially- and here I need you to keep thinking really, really hard, Emjay - why were they deleted?

 

[azbob]

Still does not change the fact that you failed to prove your assertion.

Good day to you too.

Still does not change the fact that you’ll fail to ever see it.

Good day.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Imagine waking up after a 10 year coma these days?

In the COVID section. Geez...

 

[cerebus]

It was. But personal accountability is trumped by a cop in a faraway land who happens to be sufficiently melanin deficient. Of course now I'm going to get critique, saying I'm defending the cops. Read back. The first victim was logic and truth, long before George.

Today I learned that personal accountability means it's your fault when you get murdered in cold blood by the police

 

[Emjay]

Still does not change the fact that you’ll fail to ever see it.

Good day.

Makes stereotype.
Cannot back up stereotype.
Blames the person for not seeing the stereotype.

 

[Emjay]

See, folks. This is what happens when law enforcement falters.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270772735979945985

 

[azbob]

Makes stereotype.
Cannot back up stereotype.
Blames the person for not seeing the stereotype.



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Offers to tag person whenever stereotype is shown, person refuses.

Logic.

Good day!

 

[Emjay]

Offers to tag person whenever stereotype is shown, person refuses.

Logic.

And proving an assertion is done with data in hand, and not from the future.

 

[azbob]

And proving an assertion is done with data in hand, and not from the future.

Data that has been deleted.

More logic.

Even the example I posted was deleted. The example that wasn’t racist. I guess I should keep a folder of all the racist screenshots.

Good day.