George Floyd death

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R13... said:
Okay.
I myself never understood the habit of being proud of something you had no part in creating. You just happen to have been born to a certain. Could have been any race & it really shouldn't be celebrated as an achievement when all it is, is an accident. I suppose it's a bit like being proud of your country, sports teams or similar.
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There are many here that are like that and I think explanation given is that they are proud of their family member's achievements and this is exactly like that. It doesn't make sense to me in any sense.
 
SoldierMan said:
A white brain is no different to a black brain.

You raise a white baby in a black area they will grow up with a black accent and act according to black culture. You raise a black baby in a white area they will grow up with a white accent and act according to white culture. Let's just assume here that the two cultures are different as in South Africa in some areas.

So what is my point - it's all about culture, class (economic circumstances, etc.) and how you were raised.

Saying that a black person is more likely to commit violent crimes is just pure nonsense as statement on it's own.

But throw in country, class and culture and it could very well be true, not because they are black but because of the aforementioned characteristics and circumstances. Gang life in the US for example, growing up in that environment.

But then the same could apply to whites (or any other race) cultures as well. It all depends on how you were raised, the culture you grow up in and so on.
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Exactly!

With that said, the cops had no way of knowing whether the victim was of a particular culture with criminal tendencies that presents a risk to their safety, so should not have profiled George Floyd based on his colour.

Even if they are aware of a suspects background, they're not entitled to use deadly force such as they did with George Floyd.
 
Pablo37 said:
Because the cops used a college toilet? Seriously?
When I read about this stuff I swear I actually sense my brain cells dying off!!

Berklee College of Music

https://www.facebook.com/berkleesafety/posts/3164376170280868
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Seriously, so it's open season on cops now, no use of the toilets for them.

Would it shock those that signed that letter that if police were called to Berklee College for an emergency that the officers might just take their time in getting there, the long route perhaps.

It astounds me what is happening at the moment.
 
Cray said:
Am curious why you lot don't simply come out and say what you think? You cite so stats saying blacls are more likely to commit violent crimes but you refuse to state why that is...?
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That's one of the most ridiculous arguments out there and I see it all the time.

The why does not matter a single f**k.... you accomplished zero by making that statement. Who cares why? It just is. Some people seem to think that because there's no why attached to the facts that somehow makes it untrue.

There are literally a f**ton of potential reasons why... but so what? That's an entire other topic and when people can't even look at the facts in front of them the how the f**k is humanity supposed to even begin to ask that question?

It's nothing but a pointless argument that tries to bait someone into a corner where you can paint them as a racist.
The only people who use that argument are those who are uncomfortable with facts, and that's super weak. We don't change reality via wishful thinking.

Even if the "worst case" is true and black people are somehow genetically more inclined to committing crime it doesn't matter. Yo do not get to use prejudice against people, in the same way, we don't prejudge men because men commit most crime, by far, that's literally not how a bell curve works so anyone would be a fool for doing so.

We really need to get over this k@k argument.
 
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surface said:
Ah I see you made this point already. Great minds and all that. :p
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It's no different from the crowd chanting "black excellence" on social media whenever something worthwhile emerges. I'm proud of any discovery/invention that makes life easier, and has very little environmental footprint. I don't care whether it's by a Shabalala, Steinberg or Koekemoer.
 
TysonRoux said:
Exactly!

With that said, the cops had no way of knowing whether the victim was of a particular culture with criminal tendencies that presents a risk to their safety, so should not have profiled George Floyd based on his colour.

Even if they are aware of a suspects background, they're not entitled to use deadly force such as they did with George Floyd.
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How do you know they profiled him on the basis of his skin colour? Answer me that.

They done exactly the same thing to a white guy and killed him too.

Actually if a suspect is known to have a violent background police do go in with greater awareness/caution/self-preservation than if it was someone who was not violent.

And they never used deadly force, you are making this into something it isn't. It took 8 minutes to kill him, that is not really considered deadly force. Deadly force is usually instant. It wasn't against police regulations to restrain someone like that because they have now introduced law that using choke holds is now forbidden.

Having said that what the cop done to Floyd was just plain idiotic, when someone tells you they can't breathe or says they are dying, you get your frikken knee off his neck. Besides that he was restrained and could not have done anything so it was complete overreaction and misuse of force by the cop.

Like I said before, the cops have become militarised and this is the result throughout the whole country.
 
Oh I remember when I got told the National Guard are TRAINED for this.

The New York Times has revealed that many of the Guardsmen despatched were straight out of basic training and some of the others had still not recieved riot training. Some were not even qualified to drive the heavy vehicles.

And then I recall how everyone was blaming this shooting on the protestors.

Turns out it was a National Guardsmen that shot him.

 
STS said:
So you're proud of the inventions, but not sorry for the terrible acts? :p
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What terrible acts ? You're going down the Apartheid tunnel ? Sorry - not entertaining that or washing any feet.
 
Cray said:
Am curious why you lot don't simply come out and say what you think? You cite so stats saying blacls are more likely to commit violent crimes but you refuse to state why that is...?

So straight up, all other things being equal, do you think a person with a black skin is more likely to commit violent crime than any other race?
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I'd like an answer to this, please.

Tell me, does knowing that men commit vastly more crime in relation to women mean you walk around suspiciously eyeing every dude you meet?

Because I don't.

So allow me to answer you on this....
"So straight up, all other things being equal, do you think a person with a black skin is more likely to commit violent crime than any other race?"

Yes, the answer is yes... the real question and the one you're alluding to is: Does he treat a black person like a potential criminal when he crossed paths with one?
I'd suspect the answer is no, just as my answer is no... for the exact same reasons I don't treat every dude I meet like a potential criminal.

This is such n00b level stuff to get right that I always find it highly suspicious when someone raises this point.
I can never help to wonder who the real racist is when I see this argument because it always makes me feel like the person is one red pill away from being a racist, whereas in my world view it's never acceptable, no matter what the facts around the issue is.
 
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HunterNW said:
What terrible acts ? You're going down the Apartheid tunnel ? Sorry - not entertaining that or washing any feet.
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It's a fair question. If you're going to take credit for the achievements of others you have to also prepared to take flak for their shortcomings too, no?
 
HunterNW said:
I'd like to see that list.... Nevermind, google it...

Empty as my cigarette pack
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Honestly, here is a thing man. Just for couple of days, come out of your comfort zone and take a look outside . Read up books on Neil deGrasse Tyson, listen to Toni Morrion on youtube, read up on GW carver and so on.

I get it that even then, you will still feel superior of your race as you can always quote statistics of your white scientists and I am not hoping it will change anytime soon but I implore you to have a look at the other side?
 
HunterNW said:
What terrible acts ? You're going down the Apartheid tunnel ? Sorry - not entertaining that or washing any feet.
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I think individuals should know where they come from but they should be responsible and proud only of themselves. If someone is proud of the guy who invented the wagon and uses him as a reason to express the greatness of the white race, why can't people point out that their neighbour was a white slave-trader that raped and murdered human beings too?

I understand you can be proud of people, but being proud of them because of their race rather than their individuality seems strange, I mean individuals achieve great things, not the entire group?
 
RaptorSA said:
That's one of the most ridiculous arguments out there and I see it all the time.
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Perhaps if you were actually responding to the post I wrote rather than some imaginary person you have in your head your post would be a bit more coherent rather than some silly rant. I made no argument, I asked a question about a forumite's position, because if he really thinks that black people somehow have a differently wired brain that makes them more prone to crime and violence then there really is nothing further to discuss.

RaptorSA said:
The why does not matter a single f**k.... you accomplished zero by making that statement. Who cares why? It just is. Some people seem to think that because there's no why attached to the facts that somehow makes it untrue.
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What facts exactly? And if you think that the root causes of why some segments of society commit more violent crime are uninteresting or unimportant then I am not sure what would interest you...

RaptorSA said:
There are literally a f**ton of potential reasons why... but so what? That's an entire other topic and when people can't even look at the facts in front of them the how the f**k is humanity supposed to even begin to ask that question?
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It seems odd then that for all the "literally a f**ton of potential reasons why", why do lazy people fall back on BS like "Black people commit more crime" - if skin colour doesn't matter to them why is it constantly referenced as an excuse for racist policing and policies?

RaptorSA said:
It's nothing but a pointless argument that tries to bait someone into a corner where you can paint them as a racist.
The only people who use that argument are those who are uncomfortable with facts, and that's super weak. We don't change reality via wishful thinking.
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Again, what are these facts that you keep talking about, be unambiguous put them down in your response... Because apparently when I said that people with lower aspirations and incomes tend to commit more crime I was greeted with incredulity by Emjay, but she is perfectly happy to come up with "black people are more likely to be violent criminals"

RaptorSA said:
Even if the "worst case" is true and black people are somehow genetically more inclined to committing crime it doesn't matter.
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Why is it you think that finding the underlying reasons for criminal behaviour is useless and why do you think that such knowledge can't be used to try and make a better society. Your attitude is a cop out, you get say that no reasons matter because it means that you might not have to accept that certain races of people tend to behave in a certain way because of the pressures of their environment.

It's easier to demonise criminals as "that's just a black thing and the facts support me " as opposed to their actions being influenced by the pressures of a sh*tty socioeconomic/cultural conditions that could be improved if society as a whole made an effort...
 
Cray said:
Am curious why you lot don't simply come out and say what you think? You cite so stats saying blacls are more likely to commit violent crimes but you refuse to state why that is...?

So straight up, all other things being equal, do you think a person with a black skin is more likely to commit violent crime than any other race?
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I think everyone wants to know why that is. That is what the stats show in the US, why, really no idea to be honest. Could be many reasons, poverty, bad choices, or other reasons. Not all commit crime for the same reason either
 
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