George Floyd death

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Jabulani22 said:
1st part , intent is the key.

2nd part , coroner said "contributed to" , unless your examination of the body was more thorough ?


Edit , I like the part where you conflate commiting a crime to police duties , lol
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His duty was done once the criminal was in the car. Then he took the guy out to rough him up, and ended up killing him. Was that also part of his duty?

rambo919 said:
When someone accuses someone of being stupid in a burst of anger.... how exactly does he also accuse him of being completely rational?

Not all mistakes are accidental.

People that plan and execute something like what happened with the doctor do so with premeditation, yes its stupid but that's not all it is. Here the malevolence clearly overrides the stupidity.

If the cop had specifically planned to hill the junkie then it would be a different matter.
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I'm playing devil's advocate here. How do we know they were planing the break in? Maybe they went to his house with a genuine reason and ended up breaking in and killing him. So it was then not planned. Still just a stupid mistake?

That cop took the guy out of the car, not by mistake, but willfully and ended up killing him. That was maybe not planned, but it was willful.
 
ISP cash cow said:
What has the video footage got to do with your comment that I commented on?
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We were discussing facts , video shows facts , at least monitor a conversation before joining.
Now you look silly because you made assumptions.
 
Craig said:
His duty was done once the criminal was in the car. Then he took the guy out to rough him up, and ended up killing him. Was that also part of his duty?



I'm playing devil's advocate here. How do we know they were planing the break in? Maybe they went to his house with a genuine reason and ended up breaking in and killing him. So it was then not planned. Still just a stupid mistake?

That cop took the guy out of the car, not by mistake, but willfully and ended up killing him. That was maybe not planned, but it was willful.
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Despite your emotions , both were in the wrong.
It wasn't racism that killed him it was his health , drugs and the cop.
 
Jabulani22 said:
Despite your emotions , both were in the wrong.
It wasn't racism that killed him it was his health , drugs and the cop.
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Now we are getting somewhere. No emotion from my side just by the way.

It was firstly the cop with his knee on the guy neck, then the other factors contributed to his death. At least now finally you admit (in you own way) the cops part in the guys death. Was it really that difficult?

And in the house breaking thing I don't care about the criminals, they are violent murderers (just like this cop) that deserves whatever crap they can get.
 
Craig said:
Now we are getting somewhere. No emotion from my side just by the way.

It was firstly the cop with his knee on the guy neck, then the other factors contributed to his death. At least now finally you admit (in you own way) the cops part in the guys death. Was it really that difficult?

And in the house breaking thing I don't care about the criminals, they are violent murderers (just like this cop) that deserves whatever crap they can get.
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Bro
I "admitted" the cop's contribution from the start , the court will decide now how much of a part it played and hopefully the medical experts can guide them in a timeline of sorts.
Yours sincerely
Me , your bro.
 
Jabulani22 said:
The cop "contributed to" it , along with the meth ,fentanyl and his health conditions.
Unless you got evidence that the cop forced them drugs into him and caused his health conditions ?
Contributed to ,as in played a part but not wholely responsible for.
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Contributing to someones death is
Jabulani22 said:
1st part , intent is the key.

2nd part , coroner said "contributed to" , unless your examination of the body was more thorough ?


Edit , I like the part where you conflate commiting a crime to police duties , lol
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Both coroner reports ruled the death as homicide due to the way George was restrained. The only difference was that the Hennepin county coroner claimed it was due to heart attack and the private autopsy was due to asphyxia. The actual lead up cause of it on both reports were due to the way he was restrained from the police officers

In other words if George had not been pulled back out of the vehicle and kneeled on by multiple officers he would still be able to face the judge and courts for determining his "actual" guilt.

FYI Homicide is the murder of a person by another person whether there was intent or not.
 
rambo919 said:
You cannot review without revising where you find error, review without revision is dishonest.
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Please stop trolling. You are flooding the treat with useless nonsense.

Toppling statues looked bad but no it is hidden under a mountain of BS about Lincoln and the American civil war.

You are completely destroying your own position by getting sidetracked into irrelevance.
 
Jabulani22 said:
We were discussing facts , video shows facts , at least monitor a conversation before joining.
Now you look silly because you made assumptions.
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:ROFL:

You want to claim me as looking silly when I responded to a post you made and then made a completely flip flop based response back to me.

Maybe get some facts before you actually go around about claiming certain things like when in all your posts you have words like "probably", IIRC", "more than likely", "could be", " I have heard" and so on. Those words do not tend to show that you actually have facts.

There is only one person in this conversation that looks silly and ill informed and it ain't me
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rietrot said:
Please stop trolling.
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When merely defending your position is called trolling then the discourse truely has become poisoned

You are flooding the treat with useless nonsense.
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That's not a actual refutation, it's a obviously subjective opinion.

Toppling statues looked bad but no it is hidden under a mountain of BS about Lincoln and the American civil war.
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Blame @buka001 for ranting and raving about slavery and saint Lincoln not me.

You are completely destroying your own position by getting sidetracked into irrelevance.
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I'm not the one that sidetracked it originally, I merely refused to get bullied.
 
rambo919 said:
Clearly, you are much more of an expert on what I believe than I am :ROFL:


Nonsense, you disagree with my opinion and instead of staying rational attack me with emotionalisms as if that kind of bullying is virtuous in some way.

By your definition I'd wager no historian that disagrees with your view is "legitimate" because of this disagreement.
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The main cause for the American Civil War as accepted by all legitimate American Civil War historians is that the Southern States succeeded to keep slavery legal.

From wikipedia, which cites multiple sources and summarises it as follows -

The civil war began primarily as a result of the long-standing controversy over the enslavement of black people. War broke out in April 1861 when secessionist forces attacked Fort Sumter in South Carolina shortly after Abraham Lincoln had been inaugurated as the President of the United States.
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Cray said:
But yeah, not the genuine principle reason at all.... :rolleyes:
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Racial superiority is not the same as slavery, try again.

EDIT: also no one "defended slavery" they defended their then legal right to import more.... a completely different thing.
 
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Craig said:
I'm playing devil's advocate here. How do we know they were planing the break in? Maybe they went to his house with a genuine reason and ended up breaking in and killing him. So it was then not planned. Still just a stupid mistake?
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There is no way whatsoever that possibly happened, this was a crew that did a job.

That cop took the guy out of the car, not by mistake, but willfully and ended up killing him. That was maybe not planned, but it was willful.
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I'm saying that it seems like his mistake was restraining him the way he did and offered a plausable reason for it.

The taking him out of the car is also a separate action from the method used to restrain, there were clearly alternatives.

You are not comparing apples to apples here.
 
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