getting broadband woot!!(need help choosing)

[Gtx Gaming]

Ok so i finally have the option to get adsl in a month or 2 times if all go well and throw away this excuse of internet(3g).

So ofc i want uncapped because family members will be facebooking etc when im at work and then i play wow and i will need to dl the patches.

Ok so the mweb package looks good for uncapped but i hear its crap for raiding even worse then 3g, did not know there was worse . I do live pretty close to the main mweb building so hopefully for a better connection etc.

So if anybody can tell me there pings with 384kb uncapped mweb adsl and please include your location, will help me to decide if it will be a good buy, need to icc25 without any hickups

p.a have i have red the uncapped thread, allot of mixed reactions and different lines and locations.

 

[bradrap]

I think 25man raiding in general without hiccups on a 384k line is impossible since data can spike up to 80kbs when in combat. Sorry

 

[Gtx Gaming]

but i have seen a guy posted raiding fine on2 pcs with vent on 384, just forgot where the post is. i normally don't go over 30kbs in a fight because my vent dont buffer data in a fight does it afterwards.

 

[Dwelm]

The main issue would be, your distance from the exchange. If your LA and SNR are too high or low, you could basically kiss 25man raiding goodbye.

 

[Gtx Gaming]

My local exchange is just the next street if you are talking about that one, if not any way i can find the one you are talking about?

 

[semaphore]

The main issue would be, your distance from the exchange. If your LA and SNR are too high or low, you could basically kiss 25man raiding goodbye.

Now that is the biggest load of crap ive ever read. If your line syncs at the speeds, raiding is fine. I am just under 4KM from the exchange, sync at 3mbit and have raided perfectly fine in the past

 

[Dwelm]

Now that is the biggest load of crap ive ever read. If your line syncs at the speeds, raiding is fine. I am just under 4KM from the exchange, sync at 3mbit and have raided perfectly fine in the past

Do you even know what LA and SNR does? Because, your line sync has got nothing to do with it. (There is a reason adsl is maxed to 5km from an exchange.

Go reap up : http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?192745-Solution-to-PING-DC-problems

To answer your question, you'll need to speak to a telkom. They're the only people who will be able to tell you what the distance is.

 

[Gtx Gaming]

do broadband package 3 should be the best for me then, 5gb cap should and 4mb should be enough for raids, just have to get the patches from someone and not download anything

 

[Dwelm]

You could look in to Mweb uncapped with a 4mb line. Not too expensive.

 

[Gtx Gaming]

500 to 900 rand and im only playing from 6 till 11pm, not getting axxes 626 because il rather buy the line and the account together less fuss

 

[avert]

my 384 line is perfect in 25mans. traffic never goes above like 30kb/s in raids for me

 

[semaphore]

Do you even know what LA and SNR does? Because, your line sync has got nothing to do with it. (There is a reason adsl is maxed to 5km from an exchange.

Go reap up : http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?192745-Solution-to-PING-DC-problems

To answer your question, you'll need to speak to a telkom. They're the only people who will be able to tell you what the distance is.

Actually i do know what they are, and if YOU actually knew what they meant perhaps you would realize it has to-do with sync. if you have extremely low noise margins this usually causes the ADSL to de-synchronize from the exchange. If your sync is STABLE, and your internet provider is not having any issues with there network you will be able to raid fine.

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 3072 kbps 512 kbps
Line Attenuation 47.0 db 26.0 db
Noise Margin 12.0 db 14 db

see my router for example. i got **** noise margins hense i cant sync at 4mbit (i raided PERFECTLY fine, with under 260MS latency using lowerping)

@heretic - Ignore dwelm, he is clearly smoking something, your distance from the exchange will not impede your ability to raid. He clearly does not understand what snowar wrote. Ensure that your DSL is stable, and you will be fine. Mweb accounts are no gaming prioritized so you will have latency, i was playing this evening with about 350ms, you can use a lower ping service to reduce that. Unshaped are usually good for wow, webafrica. Steer clear of anything IS based.

 

[Dwelm]

Actually i do know what they are, and if YOU actually knew what they meant perhaps you would realize it has to-do with sync. if you have extremely low noise margins this usually causes the ADSL to de-synchronize from the exchange. If your sync is STABLE, and your internet provider is not having any issues with there network you will be able to raid fine.

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 3072 kbps 512 kbps
Line Attenuation 47.0 db 26.0 db
Noise Margin 12.0 db 14 db

see my router for example. i got **** noise margins hense i cant sync at 4mbit (i raided PERFECTLY fine, with under 260MS latency using lowerping)

@heretic - Ignore dwelm, he is clearly smoking something, your distance from the exchange will not impede your ability to raid. He clearly does not understand what snowar wrote. Ensure that your DSL is stable, and you will be fine. Mweb accounts are no gaming prioritized so you will have latency, i was playing this evening with about 350ms, you can use a lower ping service to reduce that. Unshaped are usually good for wow, webafrica. Steer clear of anything IS based.

You see, now I know you are confused. Those values are still acceptable.

Connection Speed 640 kbps 512 kbps
Line Attenuation 63.5 db 31.5 db
Noise Margin 13.4 db 10.0 db

As you can see, at this moment, I have a max down of 80kbps. And yet I still disconnect, I wonder why.

Line Attenuation 63.5 db 31.5 db

There is your problem. If u go above 40 wow gives dc's. Can't remember what the 2nd number must be +- atm, also think it must not be more than something like 22

That was posted by SnowWar, still think I don't understand what he wrote? Those SNR and LA values are solely based on distance from my exchange.

If you had values like these, you would have problems. Line speed doesn't really matter with wow. Because I have never seen the download do past 30kbps and up past 10kbps. If you have loop loss on the line, you are bound to experience problems. Like I have. And I am around 5km from an exchange.

 

[semaphore]

You see, now I know you are confused. Those values are still acceptable.

Connection Speed 640 kbps 512 kbps
Line Attenuation 63.5 db 31.5 db
Noise Margin 13.4 db 10.0 db

As you can see, at this moment, I have a max down of 80kbps. And yet I still disconnect, I wonder why.



That was posted by SnowWar, still think I don't understand what he wrote? Those SNR and LA values are solely based on distance from my exchange.

If you had values like these, you would have problems. Line speed doesn't really matter with wow. Because I have never seen the download do past 30kbps and up past 10kbps. If you have loop loss on the line, you are bound to experience problems. Like I have. And I am around 5km from an exchange.

The reason you disconnect is because your Noise margin is crap for your sync speed, so you will probably find in bad weather that it is extremely erratic and drops.

Trust me im not confused i know more on this subject that you seem to think i know. My values are not acceptable at all, due to the primary fact when i got the line i synced at 4096.

You are right line speed doesnt make the difference, but remember a better upload rate will produce better results, round-robin effect.

And i never said snowar doesnt understand, i said you didnt understand what he wrote.

as for your never seen it shoot beyond 10KB lol right sure whatever, in ICC during hectic boss fights i've seen it speak beyond 40KB

 

[Dwelm]

Firstly I did say that do you still think that I am confused with what SnowWar is saying.

Secondly, To get back to my original point. I said that the distance to his exchange could effect his raiding. Because one of the causes for the bad values is the distance from the exchange. When my sync cap was on 2mb, it would sync at 2, with those same LA and SNR values and I would still dc during raids. My values look like that because I am roughly 4.5 km from my exchange, and it is a new line, so it can't be blamed on line quality, I confirmed this with Telkom technicians.Then you replied by saying that it would have no effect.

But maybe I am confused about this last factor, I fail to see how a hectic boss fight would raise your upload by around 30kbps?

That is my experience with adsl and WoW. Weather you agree or not.

 

[semaphore]

Firstly I did say that do you still think that I am confused with what SnowWar is saying.

Secondly, To get back to my original point. I said that the distance to his exchange could effect his raiding. Because one of the causes for the bad values is the distance from the exchange. When my sync cap was on 2mb, it would sync at 2, with those same LA and SNR values and I would still dc during raids. My values look like that because I am roughly 4.5 km from my exchange, and it is a new line, so it can't be blamed on line quality, I confirmed this with Telkom technicians.Then you replied by saying that it would have no effect.

But maybe I am confused about this last factor, I fail to see how a hectic boss fight would raise your upload by around 30kbps?

That is my experience with adsl and WoW. Weather you agree or not.

Its "Whether" not "Weather".

It being a new line means nothing, if you have dirty connectors near the exchange or exposed connections you will get noise, simple as that.

And yes you are not experienced it seems, especially the idea and software behind Client/Server development. The amount of data sky rockets when you enter fights, due to all the traffic being sent back and forth from the server to the players, from player to player via server, then up again. Enable combat log and go do a heroic raid, LK for example or even Saurfang, look at how crazy your CL go's, get a bandwidth tool to see what it peaks at. 10KB is like idle bandwidth

If your line synced at 2mbit, and you currently sync at that with those margins, you would probably have seen that synching at 2mbit, caused your Nose Margin to be like 2.0db, Obviously it would DC with the minimalistic amount of noise.