Getting the Promotion

Pho3nix said:
:( Actually like my team. Been working with my manager for 3 years+ so no issues speaking to him but more worried he won't action anything because he is also "new".
Any harm in sending out feelers while I give this take one more try?
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3 years + is too long in my opinion. I liked my previous team as well but learning new things and a better salary should be enough motivation...

Someone contacted me last week for a job that I really consider junior... But they were offering up to 510k. Is that motivation enough? That's more than my current salary and I would've gladly hopped but I owe my company a year or so due to my bursary.
 
cguy said:
I have found it to be very important to clearly communicate my career goals when I want to perform a different job function, e.g., become a manager, switch from pure dev work to more quantitative work, etc. Otherwise your management chain just doesn't know (ie don't expect to eventually be made a manager if you've never let it be known). It is also important to have a record of good performance when making such requests.

Requesting a promotion, where the promotion is not actually a role/"job type" change (e.g., junior dev to dev, to senior dev, to lead dev, etc.) is generally a bad idea - you shouldn't have to ask for this - if you do, you're either not as good as you think, or you are being undervalued, either way it's unlikely to work out well.
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+1 bro, really like this advice. Been bitten a bit myself by not communicating enough as well.
 
The term "junior" is a veiled term to mean you get paid on the lower level to do the work
 
Waaib said:
As a manager I disagree with this. Many people at many levels are more than happy to stay where they are. I need to know if you want to move up or sideways so I can help you do that.

Especially when there's levels between me and the people I manage. A casual chat, no formal meeting required but 10 minutes at my desk, to say you are keen to move and is a good thing. If your work is good then a more senior manager will easily check that with your peers etc.

I've had a few people join my teams over the years when another manager mentioned they needed to promote someone but had no space to do it and I had an open role.

There's a guy now who's several levels above me but a few years ago worked in my team. If he hadn't spoken up about a different interest (he wanted to be out of sales and more technical) I'd have never known and he probably would have left which would have been a loss to the company.

I guess what I'm waffling on about is that managers usually act with the organizations greater goals in mind and don't hold back talent because in the bigger picture they want the company to win.
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Good people leaders meet regularly with their employees to discuss company and personal goals, as well as personal development plans.
 
MickeyD said:
If you don't send out feelers it could be seen as you having a lack of ambition. Being a 'lifer'...
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One who spends their whole life at a company?
Don't want to hold them hostage with a counter-offer. Know that never ends well.
 
If you into Java dev and don't mind moving to cape town we have some spots open :p
Our JHB office doesn't look to have any requests open.
 
CamiKaze said:
In my experience, talking does not help.
Management would want to keep you in a position for as long as possible.

Just apply for a job with a higher role, sorted. You will get an increase from that as well.
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agreed.
I have spoken a lot on here about the same problem.
I solved it. I am leaving my company and joining a new one, first day there is the 15th of June :)
 
Rather look outside the company for a more senior position. If you need to ask for a promotion you will more then likely not get it or get more responsibility without pay. 15 years work experience showed me that.
 
Every employer should be having regular one-on-one sessions with their employees to talk about work performance, expectations from both sides etc.

This is where you can say what you feel your career progression should be. This is your opportunity to state how you feel about things and your managers chance to hear you out and comment on how realistic your expectations are. You will know very quickly from sessions like this whether you are at the right company or not, if you didn't already.

If you aren't having these sessions then asking for promotion is probably not going to end well, because that company doesn't want to know what you think and if they wanted to promote you they would have approached you. This is usually not the best place to work at. :)
 
If you're going to look elsewhere anyway, then there's no harm in speaking to your manager or someone above about a salary increase. Do it professionally and without emotion. Worst case, it doesn't work and you continue as normal whilst looking for a new job. Best case, you get your wanted increase and title.
 
Cicero said:
If you're going to look elsewhere anyway, then there's no harm in speaking to your manager or someone above about a salary increase. Do it professionally and without emotion. Worst case, it doesn't work and you continue as normal whilst looking for a new job. Best case, you get your wanted increase and title.
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Exactly.First try and see if the company sees any merit in your request and if you feel you have hit a brick wall then continue working as you currently do while actively seeking other jobs.
 
Just an update on this.
Spoke to my colleagues about my thoughts and got some constructive feedback.

Going to start with HR to find out if there is a metric being used to decide your grading -> manager -> dept head.
 
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