Global Warming

[Thor]

Global warming is real. If there was ever doubt, this "winter" shattered it.

 

[genetic]

Global warming is real. If there was ever doubt, this "winter" shattered it.

The drought is real too.

 

[StrontiumDog]

Global warming is real. If there was ever doubt, this "winter" shattered it.

What does this mean

 

[Geoff.D]

Oh global warming is real enough. What is NOT is that it is man made. It is just a perfectly normal natural cycle and nothing we do can change it.

 

[genetic]

Oh global warming is real enough. What is NOT is that it is man made. It is just a perfectly normal natural cycle and nothing we do can change it.

Lets not turn this thread into a global warming debate. There are plenty of other threads to derail.

 

[Bizkit87]

Oh global warming is real enough. What is NOT is that it is man made. It is just a perfectly normal natural cycle and nothing we do can change it.

For starters, the term 'global warming' is idiotic, so at least call it climate change, and yes, man has had an absolute impact on it. Just look it up and educate yourself a bit.

 

[Geoff.D]

For starters, the term 'global warming' is idiotic, so at least call it climate change, and yes, man has had an absolute impact on it. Just look it up and educate yourself a bit.

I think we should move this debate somewhere else. So I am going to delete my post. Hope all of you do the same including Thor please.


Or Mickey D , is it possible for you to create a new thread for us with these few posts?

 

[Bizkit87]

I think we should move this debate somewhere else. So I am going to delete my post. Hope all of you do the same including Thor please.


Or Mickey D , is it possible for you to create a new thread for us with these few posts?

Ok , so now it's here...

#1 fault with calling it global warming is that people just go "well look how cold this winter is, so there, no global warming". While climate change is real, and natural, the accelaration of it is not, and has a lot to do with us as humans.

The scientific opinion on climate change is the overall judgment among scientists regarding the extent to which global warming is occurring, its causes, and its probable consequences. The scientific consensus is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and that it is extremely likely (meaning 95% probability or higher) that this warming is predominantly caused by humans. It is likely that this mainly arises from increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as from deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels, partially offset by human caused increases in aerosols; natural changes had little effect.[1][2][3][4]

 

[saor]

Global warming is real. If there was ever doubt, this "winter" shattered it.

What are you on about?

 

[backstreetboy]

What are you on about?

I believe the term is Thoron.

 

[Binary_Bark]

What winter?

 

[Geoff.D]

For starters, I did not use the term 'Global Warming', Thor 187 did.

I agree that we should rather talk of 'Climate Change'.

I have read plenty on the subject and attended many learned debates by local scientists on the subject. Rather heated ones between those that support the idea that we humans are the ones that have accelerated the processes as well as those that believe we have almost nothing to do with the process at all. At the moment, the first camp is the most vocal and currently seem to have the ear of most governments. Are they right? Are they partly right? Are they wrong? Who knows? I tend to go with the view that they are making projections based on a very superficial understanding of the underlying process, and at most, human activity is introducing a small ripple effect on the overall natural cycle.

And BTW, this Winter is by no means a cold one where I live (PTA) And I do not believe it is actually unduly cold anywhere in the country so far.

What I do know is the summer before last was one of the hottest I ever experienced in PTA.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

For starters, the term 'global warming' is idiotic, so at least call it climate change, and yes, man has had an absolute impact on it. Just look it up and educate yourself a bit.

They're both used because they mean different things.

Are they right?

Yes.

I tend to go with the view that they are making projections based on a very superficial understanding of the underlying process, and at most, human activity is introducing a small ripple effect on the overall natural cycle.

No.

 

[Geoff.D]

They're both used because they mean different things.




Yes.



No.

In the No reference you quote there is a paragraph that covers the author's backside very nicely.

Of course, it's always possible that some natural cycle exists, unknown to scientists and their instruments, that is currently causing the planet to warm. There's always a chance that we could be totally wrong. This omnipresent fact of science is called irreducible uncertainty, because it can never be entirely eliminated. However, it's very unlikely that such a cycle exists.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

In the No reference you quote there is a paragraph that covers the author's backside very nicely.

Absolutes are generally frowned upon in science, for good reason.

 

[Geoff.D]

While on the subject, about 2 days ago, the second largest iceberg finally broke free from the Antarctic Peninsula.

The crack in the Larsen C ice shelf was first noticed in the 1960's, but did not spread until something triggered it to spread in 2014 and then move quite rapidly.

There are many references to this event, one of which is this one.

It is not the largest ever ranking second according to this reference.

Already the argument has started as to whether this can be associated with " Climate Change" or "Global Warming" or something else.

 

[Geoff.D]

What about this thread?

Seems that Climate Change is on everyone's mind since Trumps latest move ....

 

[etienne_marais]

Winter is coming.

I hate Winter.

 

[biometrics]

Denaailists.

 

[Zoomzoom]

Here's what I think. Who CARES who is right? The fact is that all the pollution pumped into the air and water is not good for anyone or anything but as long every one is screaming and arguing and fighting about who is right and who is wrong nothing is being done. So FFS can we change the dialogue into one where the people get off their collective rear ends and just do something about cleaning up the environment?

If we do that, then it won't matter who was right, whose theory was right or not, because we would have dealt with the problem. And let's face it pollution is a problem in so many other very real ways irrespective of global warming / climate change that NEED to be dealt with.

So just STFU up and stop creating division and focus on what is actually real, provable, non-debatable and right in front of us - clean air to breath, clean water to drink, land free of toxins to live on and farm, wild life and nature to enjoy and a future for our kids.