Google Nexus 5

eitai2001 said:
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Two things here:

  • What you forgot to mention with the vehicle comparison analogy, is that when purchasing the vehicle, there are more costs than simply the sticker price. As there are with most things not found in a supermarket. No, wait, supermarkets charge VAT as well. They just make it easier to actualise the full cost of the product by the consumer when purchasing.
  • The device is still a top-tier device, absolutely speaking, because spec wise it is a match for devices within its hardware category. If you are looking at the absolute cost, you would note that it costs $350 less than a similar capacity iPhone 5s, while relatively speaking, it costs 47% less.

Absolute cost against other devices, it is cheap, even with the non-stickered costs associated with it. And normally, you would have to budget for whatever sundry costs companies apply over and above the product cost, especially when purchasing from foreign companies. They seem to believe that a person expects it to be a given.

But nevertheless, adhering to your budget first and foremost is best.

I was going to suggest the 16Gb version, that way you would come in at the same overall price as the 32Gb costs pre-shipping and taxes. But would you be able to live with the smaller amount of storage?

Just pay the extra $50, you won't regret it :p
 
Maverick Jester said:
Two things here:

  • What you forgot to mention with the vehicle comparison analogy, is that when purchasing the vehicle, there are more costs than simply the sticker price. As there are with most things not found in a supermarket. No, wait, supermarkets charge VAT as well. They just make it easier to actualise the full cost of the product by the consumer when purchasing.
  • The device is still a top-tier device, absolutely speaking, because spec wise it is a match for devices within its hardware category. If you are looking at the absolute cost, you would note that it costs $350 less than a similar capacity iPhone 5s, while relatively speaking, it costs 47% less.

Absolute cost against other devices, it is cheap, even with the non-stickered costs associated with it. And normally, you would have to budget for whatever sundry costs companies apply over and above the product cost, especially when purchasing from foreign companies. They seem to believe that a person expects it to be a given.

But nevertheless, adhering to your budget first and foremost is best.

I was going to suggest the 16Gb version, that way you would come in at the same overall price as the 32Gb costs pre-shipping and taxes. But would you be able to live with the smaller amount of storage?

Just pay the extra $50, you won't regret it :p
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I'm going off topic now, but:

I still disagree with you regarding your take on the concepts of absolute and relative. You seem to understand absolute to be the actual difference, and relative to be the percentage difference. However, both of those measures are relative (and not absolute), just with different comparative units.

Looking at it absolutely will be saying it costs $400, is that good for me or not. (I.e. When looking at is absolutely, you are essentially looking at it versus zero). You forget about whether similar spec phones cost this or not (the second you compare, you are looking at it relatively).

Absolute as defined on Google: "viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative."

In terms of the phone, I'm happy with 16GB ... have that on my S3 now. I only need the space for a couple apps and my photo's and videos. But I'll look at it closely when I'm there, maybe I'll just push myself for the 32GB :P

Edit: My vehicle analogy was just there to make a point. I employed the concept of Ceteris Paribus in that analogy so as to keep it simple. No need to complicate the matter for my analogy. You're welcome to create a full on financial model if you want, the point will still be the same ;)
 
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eitai2001 said:
I'm going off topic now, but:

I still disagree with you regarding your take on the concepts of absolute and relative. You seem to understand absolute to be the actual difference, and relative to be the percentage difference. However, both of those measures are relative (and not absolute), just with different comparative units.

Looking at it absolutely will be saying it costs $400, is that good for me or not. (I.e. When looking at is absolutely, you are essentially looking at it versus zero). You forget about whether similar spec phones cost this or not (the second you compare, you are looking at it relatively).

Absolute as defined on Google: "viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative."
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There is no confusion from my side on the differences between relative and absolute. I am applying them with a consumer mindset, which I think is appropriate. I'm not arguing with how you are defining absolute and relative, perhaps just the context of the applications.

Any sort of association or comparison moves it away from absolute to relative within that context. Your budget will comprise of absolutely-costed values, but they have all been costed relative to your budget :)

So, in absolute terms, the device will cost you $450. However, this entire time the cost is relative to your budget. Therefore if it is outside of your budget, it does not take away your need for a phone, and again, you need to compare devices whose costs come within the absolute cost within your budget.

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In terms of the phone, I'm happy with 16GB ... have that on my S3 now. I only need the space for a couple apps and my photo's and videos. But I'll look at it closely when I'm there, maybe I'll just push myself for the 32GB :P
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I actually found the same thing, when I initially bought my Nexus 4. I had a device with a memory card slot, but never really used it all that much. 32Gb will be more than enough for me, given that I generally don't use even half of the allotted space on my Nexus 4 to begin with. I would just like to future-proof myself, capacity wise, and I think that with the improvements in the camera (as well as Google working on a future API that will allow RAW image capturing), I would use it to take a fair few more photos.

The Nexus 4 camera leans very much to the average side of the camera spectrum. That is fine for a number of shots, but it does inherently instill less and less confidence in me using it as a regular point-and-shoot.

Edit: My vehicle analogy was just there to make a point. I employed the concept of Ceteris Paribus in that analogy so as to keep it simple. No need to complicate the matter for my analogy. You're welcome to create a full on financial model if you want, the point will still be the same ;)
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I know, but you would have to compare apples with apples to make it fair :)

On a side note- could you not sell the S3 to offset the cost of purchasing the Nexus 5?
 
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eitai.. whoa there buddy. Nobody's got time for your onslaught of verbiage. Your point has been taken. It's your money and your choice.

All anyone is saying is that pound for pound, the Nexus5 is the best value phone you can get on the market, by a long way. If you could track value for money in phones as a simple matrix, the same way you do for PC components, the Nexus5 would be the big spike at the top with everything else trailing behind it. For $50 less, you don't get $50 less phone you get $100-150 less. For $50 more, you don't get $50 more phone you get $50 LESS phone. Beyond that simple point, spend your money as you see fit.
 
The Nexus 5 is the best phone money can buy. You simply cannot beat the price for the value. Great phone. This from a Galaxy S4 user...
 
My order also got cancelled by Google, they're stupid :p
I'll get one from FNB when/if they ever get them. On Monday I get my S4, that's good enough for now.
 
It's honestly getting harder and harder to put this damn phone down. So bloody awesome. Kitkat is simply fantastic.
 
The camera is significantly improved with 4.4.1 - virtually no lag on startup, and the autofocus is also refreshingly quick.
 
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