Google says coding school graduates are not ready to work

No real surprise there.

What can you really learn in 3 months if you knew nothing about programming before that would prepare you for a Google-class job role.

Then again I guess Google takes on Juniors like everybody else?
 
SauRoNZA said:
No real surprise there.

What can you really learn in 3 months if you knew nothing about programming before that would prepare you for a Google-class job role.

Then again I guess Google takes on Juniors like everybody else?
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They do, but they get to pick out of 100's of thousands, and the ones who float to the top are generally those who were selected for top schools, and who did very well in those top schools with typically 4-9 years worth of training. If that's your "junior" competition, a 3 month course very likely won't cut it unless the candidate is some sort of savant who missed out on a degree for some reason.
 
Yeah that was pretty much my assumption and opinion.

Even a savant will have a hard time getting past the paperwork phase to even get an opportunity to prove himself.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Yeah that was pretty much my assumption and opinion.

Even a savant will have a hard time getting past the paperwork phase to even get an opportunity to prove himself.
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Yup. I've worked with one or two such savants. Generally they bubble up to the top where they work, and gradually move from one company to the next, gradually moving through companies with progressively higher "prestige" (which is used in place of a degree from a fancy university). This means that these guys are usually in their late 30's to 40's by the time they hit the "big time" companies.
 
cguy said:
They do, but they get to pick out of 100's of thousands, and the ones who float to the top are generally those who were selected for top schools, and who did very well in those top schools with typically 4-9 years worth of training. If that's your "junior" competition, a 3 month course very likely won't cut it unless the candidate is some sort of savant who missed out on a degree for some reason.
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How many opensource devs do google snatch up based on their previous track record? I know they do the 'summer of code thing' where os devs compete. Pretty sure they hire some of those based on their performance & track record.
 
cguy said:
They do, but they get to pick out of 100's of thousands, and the ones who float to the top are generally those who were selected for top schools, and who did very well in those top schools with typically 4-9 years worth of training. If that's your "junior" competition, a 3 month course very likely won't cut it unless the candidate is some sort of savant who missed out on a degree for some reason.
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How many opensource devs do google snatch up based on their previous track record? I know they do the 'summer of code thing' where os devs compete. Pretty sure they hire some of those based on their performance & track record.
 
ponder said:
How many opensource devs do google snatch up based on their previous track record? I know they do the 'summer of code thing' where os devs compete. Pretty sure they hire some of those based on their performance & track record.
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There's this famous one: https://mobile.twitter.com/mxcl/status/608682016205344768?lang=en

He didn't get the job by he did get an interview. :)

I don't think that in general much credit is given to open source contributors in lieu of a degree. It is generally considered a definite plus on the resume, but if the project isn't particularly well known, or sophisticated, it's not going to get anyone pushed ahead in the queue. Competetive programmers with good records (SoC, TopCoder, ACM, IOI, etc.), are also a strong positive, but generally the strong preference is that they accompany a degree. Even then, this will likely get someone an interview, but definitely won't guarantee a hire.
 
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