GP number plates - plastic/perspex

The last ones I got as additional to the ones fitted to my vehicle in 2007, are all supplied with "Peel rivets" (2017)
Supposed to be used and fitted onto the car supplied number plate brackets. Will check my daughter's relatively new car (2017) next time I see her. (one in each corner)
This is of course in GP.
As far as I know, CT still makes use of number plates that simply clip into the number plate brackets.

The ones on my 4 x 4 are bolted on because that is the only way to keep them in place especially the front number plate.
 
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Yep legal retirement that the number plate is physically fixed to the holder
Not exactly.

OK so managed to find some clarity. The GP plates must be metal - see below:

Determination of type of plate to be used in the province of Gauteng – GNR 1235 in Government Gazette No. 31613 of 19 November 2008 I, Jeffrey Thamsanqa Radebe, Minister of Transport, acting in terms of section 75 of the National Road Traffic Act, 1996, read with regulation 35 of the National Road Traffic Regulations, 2000 hereby determine that from a date to be determine by the MEC in the Province of Gauteng the licence number of a motor vehicle licensed in the Province of Gauteng, shall only be displayed on a metal plate, to be referred to as a number plate and which complies with standard specification SABS 1116: "Retro-reflective Registration Plates for Motor Vehicles", Part 2: Registration plates (metal), Provided that all motor vehicles licenced in the Province of Gauteng shall on 1 November 2013 be displayed on a metal plate." J. T Radebe MINISTER OF TRANSPORT

And the plates can either be attached directly to the car OR the plate holder via either 4mm revits or 4mm one way self tappers as I mentioned before - this applies to the whole of SA - Cape Town included @SauRoNZA see below:

From a MyBB news article from SANA regarding SANS 1116

The Department of Transport recently confirmed it has embarked on a process to standardise the South African motor vehicle number plate.

The new standards for national number plates were published in the Government Gazette Draft Regulation Amendments on 28 January 2015.

The Department’s internal discussions and consultation process on the matter is ongoing, it said.

Until regulations for new national number plates are published, here’s what you can and cannot do with your current provincial number plates.

The information below is courtesy of the South African Number Plate Association (SANA), as per the requirements of the National Road Traffic Act No. 93 of 1996 (Regulations 2000) and the South African National Standard (SANS 1116) for number plates.

Number plate sizes
The SANS 1116 specification references three legal number plate sizes, as well as the correct size of the alphanumerics (letters and numbers):

  • 520mm x 113mm – must be embossed with 75mm (height) alphanumerics.
  • 250mm x 205mm – must be embossed with 75mm (height) alphanumerics.
  • 250mm x 165mm – must be embossed with 60mm (height) alphanumerics.
Note: 440mm x 120mm (75mm alphanumerics) number plates may not be used on vehicles registered for the first time on or after 1 January 2010.

Attachment of a number plate
The number plates of vehicles, which were registered for the first time on or after 1 January 2010, must be attached to the vehicle by 4mm rivets or 4mm one-way self-tapping screws.

Plates can be attached directly to the vehicle or to a holding bracket (number plate carrier), which must comply with the requirements of SANS 973 and be approved by the National Department of Transport.

Motorists may have two different size number plates on a vehicle if required – the Nissan Tiida’s rear number plate aperture, for example, cannot accommodate a 520mm x 113mm or a 250mm x 205mm number plate.

The 250mm x 165mm size number plate may then be used with the permission of the relevant provincial MEC.

However, the National Road Traffic Act is silent on the usage of this size number plate on the vehicle’s front.

“The intention is thus clear that 60mm alphanumerics cannot be used in the front and the user doesn’t have the option to obtain permission,” said SANA.

Number plates for motor vehicles and SUVs may not be affixed higher than 1.5 metres from ground level.

Front number plates may be attached to the side of the front bumper if the vehicle design cannot accommodate a number plate in the middle.

Now we all know
 
Interesting. I haven't seen them ever being riveted in place except when a holder can't be accommodated. They just clip in to the holder either just like that or with tape. Holder might well be held with rivets can't really check. Vehicle was purchased and registered in 2007.
 
Interesting. I haven't seen them ever being riveted in place except when a holder can't be accommodated. They just clip in to the holder either just like that or with tape. Holder might well be held with rivets can't really check. Vehicle was purchased and registered in 2007.

Mine bought last year has a holder which doesn’t appear to he riveted to anything and is only central attached.

I wasn’t going to pull any harder on it now.

However the numberplate is riveted to the holder so I guess that means it complies.

But yeah plenty of cars I know where it was just double sided taped straight onto the body.
 
Interesting. I haven't seen them ever being riveted in place except when a holder can't be accommodated. They just clip in to the holder either just like that or with tape. Holder might well be held with rivets can't really check. Vehicle was purchased and registered in 2007.

I just checked and all 4 cars in the yard have the nr plates pop riveted to the holder, and I bet most cars you will see on the road with nr plates starting with BB and newer are the same.
 
Don't know why people still source the perspex ones. They look kak and cheap, not to mention are illegal.
 
Interesting. I haven't seen them ever being riveted in place except when a holder can't be accommodated. They just clip in to the holder either just like that or with tape. Holder might well be held with rivets can't really check. Vehicle was purchased and registered in 2007.

I just checked and all 4 cars in the yard have the nr plates pop riveted to the holder, and I bet most cars you will see on the road with nr plates starting with BB and newer are the same.

So I looked while driving to work, and most are indeed pop riveted to their holders.
 
Yeah they must comply with the SANS/SABS standards. Why do people want to mod absolutely everything?
Because they realise they are just another polo in a sea of polos so they want to do something to show how unique and special they are.
 
You can't get the perspex ones anymore legally. But before about 2009, that was the standard in GP.
Yeah I know. No idea why people go for them now when they look terrible (not OEM per se) and are illegal.
 
no, exactly.
Retirement has nothing to do with the topic here :ROFL: but it was only half true...it can also be riveted directly to the car - doesn't have to be to a holder. I didn't say you were wrong, no need to be so sensitive bud.
 
Retirement has nothing to do with the topic here :ROFL: but it was only half true...it can also be riveted directly to the car - doesn't have to be to a holder. I didn't say you were wrong, no need to be so sensitive bud.

Are you ok bro?
 
Direct riveting onto the vehicle means that the vehicle needs the holes pre-drilled. Surely no one deliberately will drills holes to mount a number plate? Hence why most vehicles provide for a number plate holder. I had to do that on my 4 x 4, and I chose to drill the hole in a part of a replacement bumper instead of into the vehicle. I ended up using rivnuts and sealed the holes before screwing in non-removable bolts instead of rivets or self tappers, to hold a standard number plate holder.
 
So I looked while driving to work, and most are indeed pop riveted to their holders.
Took a look at ours and the back one isn't riveted. Not going to try to see how it's stuck on there. The front one has holes but it's simply clipped into the holder. Looked on the way back and saw a lot of cars simply have the back one stuck on. Saw some of the ones with a holder can't even see a place for rivets. And saw a taxi without a plate :D

I don't know where you are but in Gauteng it seems common for both the old XXX### and new XX##XX ones to not be riveted.
 
Just cause the metal ones look crappy. The perspex ones look way better. That's just my personal point of view. I'll have a look for a place that makes the perspex ones that are SABS approved and will revit them on.

Have you seen some of the perspex ones with water damage, it looks horrible.
 
Took a look at ours and the back one isn't riveted. Not going to try to see how it's stuck on there. The front one has holes but it's simply clipped into the holder. Looked on the way back and saw a lot of cars simply have the back one stuck on. Saw some of the ones with a holder can't even see a place for rivets. And saw a taxi without a plate :D

I don't know where you are but in Gauteng it seems common for both the old XXX### and new XX##XX ones to not be riveted.
All vehicles older than 2009 probably have the older perspex ones clipped into a holder. Maybe even 2010?
The last time all were forced to change is when all vehicles were issues with GP numbers. The old "T" plates had to be replaced.
No one goes about replacing perfectly good number plates?
Yes, I see many cars these days where a holder is available for the front but nothing for the rear, many of those are simply stuck on with double sided tape.
What do car dealers do?

I understand that quite a few cars were pulled off the road this season and declared unroadworthy because of number plate issues. Many with false plates, many with no plates and apparently the excuse that it fell off was not accepted either, even if the driver could produce the plates.
We will certainly be in trouble if the older plates are rejected now on both our vehicles.
 
All vehicles older than 2009 probably have the older perspex ones clipped into a holder. Maybe even 2010?
The last time all were forced to change is when all vehicles were issues with GP numbers. The old "T" plates had to be replaced.
No one goes about replacing perfectly good number plates?
Yes, I see many cars these days where a holder is available for the front but nothing for the rear, many of those are simply stuck on with double sided tape.
What do car dealers do?

I understand that quite a few cars were pulled off the road this season and declared unroadworthy because of number plate issues. Many with false plates, many with no plates and apparently the excuse that it fell off was not accepted either, even if the driver could produce the plates.
We will certainly be in trouble if the older plates are rejected now on both our vehicles.
I'm completely confused by this. I thought it was standard but now I see a bunch of different ones. Even some of the new ones that look just like a piece of metal stuck on. So I don't know. Looks like a lot of them aren't standard.
 
Hi all, wonder if someone can confirm perhaps? I've heard plastic/perspex number plates are illegal in GP. The only requirements I can find on the AA website is that they need to be certain sizes, mounted with rivets, be at a certain height etc. Nothing is mentioned about what they should be made off. As such I wonder if plastic/perspex ones that are riveted to the car are OK?
So you ended up sticking with metal plates?
 
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