"Green" tax information

[Nod]

There was apparently a talk on one of the radio station yesterday morning with details about the proposed new tax on new cars.

There is apparently scales involved according to the Kw (?) of the car. Do anybody have more information?

 

[web]

Has to do with the type of car look at www.cartoday.com the whole story is there.

 

[BCO]

We discussed the issue, here.

 

[Nod]

We discussed the issue, here.

Yes, but it's not just SUV's and hatchbacks. It's all cars, and depending on Kw produced, will be taxed accordingly. Cars with engines below 50Kw will be exempt from the tax, and then the scale goes up.

 

[oldBastard]

SO I will never be able to afford this car then

The car I want

 

[BCO]

It's a sliding scale, yes. AFAIK it's engine capacity that determines the extent you'll be taxed.

 

[BobbyMac]

But that's a bollocks way of doing it. Some cars output less emissions despite having larger motors - in fact, many larger cars are specifically designed to output less emissions.

Why not tax according to emissions measurement?

 

[DagegeN]

Well i will gladly turn my 13l/100km Mitsubishi in for a fuel saving car if. !!!
They fix roads " ptoholes with an ave. 40-80cm dia. ".
Take reckless drivers off the road that always tries to push you off the road.
Ban vehivcles over 2t from using roads in peak hrs.
Remove Taxis from the roads.
Give me a propper working safe 1st work public transport system to commute to work and back.
Remove unroadwothy cars from the roads.
Remove the smog the locations are producing.
Remove the O2 Thievs from the government.....

hell i can carry on and on........

But untill then i will drive my vehicle.
They can tax as high as they want.... if the ones than can afford it wants it .. they will have it ...

the gerbelment is milking the system and the users ....
next thing they will come up with ....
Lung capacity TAX ???
Bladder Content TAX ???

FUBAR it tell you FUBAR !!

 

[Bageloo]

But that's a bollocks way of doing it. Some cars output less emissions despite having larger motors - in fact, many larger cars are specifically designed to output less emissions.

Why not tax according to emissions measurement?

It's not just about emissions Bobby. The department also aims to reduce resource consumption by 12% by 2015. I support the proposal 100%. I think it might drum some common sense into people's heads. A V12 bi-turbo is such an overkill considering that we drive mostly in traffic jams around Jo'burg.

I am eagerly awaiting the introduction of the 1.4 turbo/supercharged VW/Audi engine in the South African market. It think that's the next best thing at the moment after the hybrids.

 

[BCO]

BobbyMac, we've been through this. This legislation has only been proposed. It's quite likely that by the time it gets passed (if it gets passed) it will have been improved. For all we know, it will be based on the specific carbon emissions per vehicle.

That would make a lot of sense, especially when you consider that some of the worst polluting cars in Europe last year were small hatchbacks. It would be silly to exempt such cars.

I'll say it again, a "green" tax is a good idea, as long as it's implemented correctly.

*edit* Bageloo makes a good point. The purpose of the Department's legislation is to reduce the consumption of fuels and energy in South Africa. We're discussing their proposal on only one element of this startegy, namely, transport. If the department is more concerned with consumption reductionas opposed to emissions reduction, then an engine capacity-based law makes more sense. Still, I'd like it if the legislated for reductions in both fuel consumption and emissions. *edit*

 

[Nod]

It's not just about emissions Bobby. The department also aims to reduce resource consumption by 12% by 2015. I support the proposal 100%. I think it might drum some common sense into people's heads. A V12 bi-turbo is such an overkill considering that we drive mostly in traffic jams around Jo'burg.

It might not make sense, but it's still your choice. You already pay tax in other forms like fuel, if you drive such a car. Insurance is also higher, so government is also benefiting indirectly there.

Taxing cars once-off is not going to help the environment much, especially not if they don't have a clear plan on where to spend the money.

If they had something more like Germany with their 2 yearly license renewal, which includes a emission test. That show they are serious about the environment, as they test continuously throughout the cars lifetime, and not just at the sell date.

 

[Nod]

*edit* Bageloo makes a good point. The purpose of the Department's legislation is to reduce the consumption of fuels and energy in South Africa. We're discussing their proposal on only one element of this startegy, namely, transport. If the department is more concerned with consumption reductionas opposed to emissions reduction, then an engine capacity-based law makes more sense. Still, I'd like it if the legislated for reductions in both fuel consumption and emissions. *edit*

Yes, but something like this can only work if a proper public transport system is in place. You can't force people to pay tax, if you can't provide a suitable alternative.

 

[icyrus]

I stand by the points I made in the other thread on this topic, but I would like to add that there must be complete transparency and accountability on how and where the money collected from this tax is spent.