Have an escape plan? Think again.

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This thread is for anyone that thinks they have an escape plan on hand if the **** hits the fan in SA. Many of your escape plans are not as quick as you would like to think. I will recount my exact situation in the hopes that it helps people in a similar stead.

First off I am a UK citizen by virtue of both parents being born in England. My Wife is a South African citizen. We intend to move to the UK now for family and personal reason, but the process is the same as it would be if the **** had hit the fan.
Applying for a 2 year settlement (Spousal) Visa to the UK, for your spouse is the first step to getting both of you there. This process has a few hoops to jump through, that the visa application agency is not very candid about.

There is a lot of support documentation that is required to accompany your application. In many cases it could take you up to a week or 2 to get hold of this information. Depending on who is going to be the sponsor on the application form, they will need to provide bank statements, payslips, rental agreements, bond applications, residential addresses and proof of their right to stay there, etc...

Assuming that this SHF (**** hit the fan), case would leave both of you in SA at the time that you apply. Unless you have got a few hundred thousand rands available in savings to support you while finding work over there. You will be stuck with requiring a family member, already settled in the UK, to put themselves down as a sponsor. If and only if the UK government believes that this person could financially support you while jobhunting, then they will approve the Visa application.

Time taken, 1 - 2 weeks gathering supporting documentation (Best case scenario). 2-3 weeks waiting for visa app to come through.
A total of 3-5 weeks in the best case scenario for getting that settlement visa.

3-5 weeks seems acceptable in some cases, the SHF case this is not very quick though.

Now for the major hurdle. They require proof that your spouse can speak English. The UK Visa Border Agency is not very forthcoming with the information on their website as to how this proof can be attained in the case that you dont have an exemption from the English language requirement. There are a few things that exempt you from the English language requirement. None of which apply to the standard SA citizen.

If you are not exempt then there are only a handful of things that will suffice in the UK's eyes. A full Bachelor's degree, shown to be taught in english, and fully recognised by the UK NARIC. If not recognised, it does not count.

Nothing less or more will suffice. Diplomas, certificates, matric, o-levels, A-levels, Honours, Masters and Doctrates do not apply. (Confusing I know).

If you do not have the above, then you must complete an english exam set up by the UK Border Agency. You may get fooled a little, as the UK Border Agency and the UK Visa Border Agency, seem to be the same thing. During the application process they do not clarify the difference. So you can very easily be fooled into thinking that your English test will be done on the day at the UK Visa Border Agency as part of the application. Dont be fooled, they are not the same thing, and you will have to chase them up, high and low to get hold of all the right information on where to apply for the test.
This Exam will cost you R1900 in 2011 and has on average a 6-8 week waiting list in JHB and PTA. The exam marks take around 3-4 weeks to come through once completed. So close on 3 months just for the english exam. And you cannot apply for your Visa without handing in these marks or you will be denied and lose the R9000 application fee for that Visa, you will have to try again, another R9000. Once you recieve the results, they will be usable for 2 years, after which they expire and you need to redo the exam.

So added to the other best case scenario and taking away the 1-2 weeks to find supporting docs as these will be done while waiting for your English results. You are looking at 3 - 3.5 months from the point of SHF to getting your Visa, if you are successful in your first application.

You cannot apply for the Visa and keep it in the Safe as it expires after 2 years, after which applying for another one is much harder as its a settlement visa, not a convenient, all access pass visa. If you did not make use of the first, they will be very unwilling to process a second.
My advice would be to get the english language test sorted out every 2 years if you really do intend to wait for the oh **** day, should it come. The test will be the biggest block you have.

We found all this out the hard way, especially the English Test. We found out that the test is done indipendant of the UK Visa Border Agency, almost by accident the day before going to the appointment where you hand in the documentation.

The rest of the info on the websites are quite helpful, just the english language test is a little ambiguous. The time taken may catch some people by surprise so take heed of the time this will take you for any future applications.
 
First off I am a UK citizen by virtue of both parents being born in England. My Wife is a South African citizen. We intend to move to the UK now for family and personal reason, but the process is the same as it would be if the **** had hit the fan.
Useful post but with this I disagree - in the event that things go pear shaped getting the missus and kids out of the country by any means as quickly as possible is the goal even if it means going on a tourist visa and sorting things out at our destination.
 
What type of SHF are we talking about here.The UK is closer to Libya than SA.
 
I would think the airports would be closed/barred off if the SHTF. Where do you go if that happens? The embassy? Would they take someone who has citizenship over a resident?
 
Not all of us are married. My SHF escape plan = buy plane ticket, leave.
 
Useful post but with this I disagree - in the event that things go pear shaped getting the missus and kids out of the country by any means as quickly as possible is the goal even if it means going on a tourist visa and sorting things out at our destination.

This.

If all else fails once you are there claim asylum.
 
Useful post but with this I disagree - in the event that things go pear shaped getting the missus and kids out of the country by any means as quickly as possible is the goal even if it means going on a tourist visa and sorting things out at our destination.

Very true. You could get out on a tourist Visa if the **** truly did hit the fan. Although you would be hard pressed to prove that you were not intending to stay in the UK since the country of origin is in a state of unrest etc... And once in the UK, if you applied for asylum or the Settlement visa then. You might find them a little tough to convince as they will not like the idea that you went on a holiday visa with an original intent to stay.
Although for compassionate reasons they would most likely overlook all of this anyway.
There are plenty of situations that would qualify as SHtF outside of civil unrest though. In those cases, you would not be able to apply for asylum, and they would not look favourably on you moving there on a holiday visa and then trying to stay. So the 3 months from the point of your coming to the immigration decision will apply.

DrYes said:
What type of SHF are we talking about here.The UK is closer to Libya than SA.

Whatever might qualify for each individual subjectively speaking of course. Geographical closeness does not apply to the SHtF model, unless you share borders with a country in a terrible state. Like our northern neighbours perhaps? Nice try though.

Fudzy said:
I would think the airports would be closed/barred off if the SHTF. Where do you go if that happens? The embassy? Would they take someone who has citizenship over a resident?

Assuming that the airports are closed off. That would mean that things were in seriously dire straits so Yes you would go to the UK Embassy. They would be constitutionally obliged to take both a citizen/resident already in the UK but on holiday, and a citizen that is not currently settled. The family of the latter would require more admin to claim asylum and get taken in, but the actual citizen would have no issues at all. All citizens of a country have equal weight and standing, constitutionally speaking, regardless of their current residential circumstances, when claiming assistance at an embassy.
 
I'll stay and defend what is mine, If that is not possible Namibia, Botswana or Mozambique.
But I doubt it will hit the fan in my lifetime though.
 
I'll stay and defend what is mine, If that is not possible Namibia, Botswana or Mozambique.
But I doubt it will hit the fan in my lifetime though.

lol, then prepared to be gutted like the neo colonialist you are! :)
 
I'll stay and defend what is mine, If that is not possible Namibia, Botswana or Mozambique.
But I doubt it will hit the fan in my lifetime though.

I salute your position. For some people those options are not realistic. For me, my career is a 1st world career only. 3rd world countries cannot offer many jobs in my line of work, so those are not realistic options to take.
While I have my own views on the merits of standing and defending, or "turning your back" and moving on; I dont really want this thread to turn into a debate about the differences between those two stances, who is right and who is wrong etc... I just want to inform anyone that is in a similar boat, of the process involved. And help them avoid the trip ups that my wife and I have encountered so far.
 
Its just the uk thats full of it. My wife is a portuguese citezin, and when everything is in order (still busy sorting all of that) then I will be able to go to portugal without a visa as long as I'm traveling with her.
 
In the SHTF scenario, the biggest drawbacks are not being able to pull your cash out of the country for 2 months (while you get proof of residence so you can open a bank account in the UK), and then still being restricted to pulling out only 160k a year because our government are finance nazi's who are worried about us pulling money out the country, because they have given us quite a few reasons to do so. Life would be difficult living on 160k a year over seas in a first world country. Also, in the SHTF scenario, your money will obviously be devalued for 2 full months while you can do nothing. I guess you could pull out of the rand by investing in something else, I dunno how that works, but you would have to be very quick about it.
 
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Very true. You could get out on a tourist Visa if the **** truly did hit the fan. Although you would be hard pressed to prove that you were not intending to stay in the UK since the country of origin is in a state of unrest etc... And once in the UK, if you applied for asylum or the Settlement visa then. You might find them a little tough to convince as they will not like the idea that you went on a holiday visa with an original intent to stay.
Although for compassionate reasons they would most likely overlook all of this anyway.
There are plenty of situations that would qualify as SHtF outside of civil unrest though. In those cases, you would not be able to apply for asylum, and they would not look favourably on you moving there on a holiday visa and then trying to stay. So the 3 months from the point of your coming to the immigration decision will apply.
I'm already a US/UK citizen/property owner so asylum isn't the issue. My kids have dual nationality (with the availability of a third) so they're taken care of too. The missus only has SA citizenship but given the above I'm not going to have much of a problem.
 
For me, my career is a 1st world career only. 3rd world countries cannot offer many jobs in my line of work, so those are not realistic options to take.

Mine is the exact opposite, my family owns a security company, and we all work there. Father, me, brother, sister and their wifes and husbands. I am not married nor do I have kids, so that probably gives me a whole different outlook than someone with a family.
 
Looks like the shyte's been going to hit the fan for 3 decades now?

LOL, just what I was thinking. And I know of people who left the country for that exact reason, only to return again because the grass wasn't greener on the other side.
 
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