Heads Up - Canon 1Dmk3

Not convinced it's a particularly good deal.
 
Weren't those things R40,000 at one stage ?
 
Dolby said:
Weren't those things R40,000 at one stage ?
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A little lower but in the neighbourhood. By 2007 standards it was a great camera, I've still got mine, but the only advantage it's got over most of today's prosumer dslrs is the 10 fps and build quality.

The biggest concern is that there is no way of checking how many actuations the shutter has had - apart from sending it to canon. I realise people might be tempted to google this and present app A,B, or C but no, they don't work.
 
A great reportage camera but that's about it. I'd rather have the original 7D than this, even if only for the weight. The only real advantages of the old 1D are the bloody amazing weather sealing and the high frame rate. I guess the plethora of AF points is also a plus.

That being said, that kind of cash can almost get you a 5DMk2 which is better than either of the above in almost every respect.
 
[XC] Oj101;16721787 said:
A great reportage camera but that's about it. I'd rather have the original 7D than this, even if only for the weight. The only real advantages of the old 1D are the bloody amazing weather sealing and the high frame rate. I guess the plethora of AF points is also a plus.

That being said, that kind of cash can almost get you a 5DMk2 which is better than either of the above in almost every respect.
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Not quite a plethora compared to more modern cameras. One less than the consumer grade 70D IIRC.
 
[XC] Oj101;16725289 said:
Eh? 19 on the 70D, 45 on the 1D III?
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19 on the 70D and 19 on the 1Dmk3. The 1Dmk3 has 26 assist AF points but since I can't select them I don't count them.

Not sure what I was thinking when I said 18… mu fault for being too lazy to get up and check mine.
 
bwana said:
19 on the 70D and 19 on the 1Dmk3. The 1Dmk3 has 26 assist AF points but since I can't select them I don't count them.

Not sure what I was thinking when I said 18… mu fault for being too lazy to get up and check mine.
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:p

While I have your attention, 50D with battery grip, two batteries (in all likelihood generics) and a (probably rubbish) 4 GB CF card for R 3,200? My 20D is getting long in the tooth and this had popped up, although it might replace my 600D.
 
You might want to ask @koffiejunkie about the 50D. I've never owned one but IIRC he has.

Doesn't sound like an awful deal to me though. Any idea how many shutter actuations?
 
bwana said:
You might want to ask @koffiejunkie about the 50D. I've never owned one but IIRC he has.

Doesn't sound like an awful deal to me though. Any idea how many shutter actuations?
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If you can find an accurate way to check I'm all ears :p I really don't know. My 20D is tired though, it's really time to retire and I need something as an out-and-about camera with a high-ish framerate for wildlife (my 5DMk2 and 600D have dismal framerates in comparison).

I contemplated the 60D (the 70D is out of budget at the mo) but it loses so many features from the 50D that it's impossible to justify.
  • Joystick for AF point selection
  • Magnesium shell could come in handy - I've fallen once where I used my 600D to stop my hand from getting hurt :D there are extremely deep scuff marks in the body and although it hasn't affected the camera I'd feel more comfortable falling on a magnesium body next time :p
  • 60D's SD card slot is limited to around 20 MB/s compared to the 50D's 80 MB/s (I already have some fast CF cards) combined with lower resolution make for faster buffer clearing
  • PC sync port (yes, I do use it, I must be one of the only twits not to have a radio trigger)
  • AF micro adjustment (very important to me as two of my lenses don't focus with perfect accuracy - good enough, but not perfect)
I don't do video (although ML adds video to the 50D) and I never use the articulating screen on my 600D so it won't be missed.

Yeah I've pretty much sold myself on the 50D being my next, but I don't have the slightest idea if the price is good. That being said, I'm open to suggestions.
 
XC Oj101 said:
That being said, that kind of cash can almost get you a 5DMk2 which is better than either of the above in almost every respect.
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Depends what you want.
eg: in burst mode the 7d can do 8fps (buffer 16 raw); 5d2 can do <4fps (buffer 13 raw). The 1d cameras are higher.
 
[XC] Oj101;16725837 said:
If you can find an accurate way to check I'm all ears :p I really don't know. My 20D is tired though, it's really time to retire and I need something as an out-and-about camera with a high-ish framerate for wildlife (my 5DMk2 and 600D have dismal framerates in comparison).
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The 50D has a Digic 4 processor, I think, so you can use any number of apps available to check the shutter count.

The one I use is called ShutterCount but it might be Mac only.

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BigAl-sa said:
Depends what you want.
eg: in burst mode the 7d can do 8fps (buffer 16 raw); 5d2 can do <4fps (buffer 13 raw). The 1d cameras are higher.
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That's why I used the word "almost" - the 7D absolutely has some advantages over the 5D. If you're shooting wildlife or sports in daylight, 7D for sure. Most other things, be it weddings or landscapes, 5D Mk2.

bwana, thanks, I'll ask the seller to check for me.
 
[XC] Oj101;16729163 said:
That's why I used the word "almost" - the 7D absolutely has some advantages over the 5D. If you're shooting wildlife or sports in daylight, 7D for sure. Most other things, be it weddings or landscapes, 5D Mk2.
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I think quite a few photographers actually used both to get the best of both.

I chose my 7D over the 5DMKII ... FPS is better, focusing is better in every way, faster all around with less lag, better screen. But as you say it depends, my aunt has a 5DMKII and loves it for studio work, as it does have better IQ
 
Dolby said:
I think quite a few photographers actually used both to get the best of both.

I chose my 7D over the 5DMKII ... FPS is better, focusing is better in every way, faster all around with less lag, better screen. But as you say it depends, my aunt has a 5DMKII and loves it for studio work, as it does have better IQ
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The 5D Mk2 also has much better low light performance, and if you want to shoot wide angle the crop factor of an APS-C body can be an issue. Eg you'd need a 15mm f/1.4 on a crop body to match the angle of view and aperture of a 24mm f/1.4, which is a problem. If you want to go REALLY wide without going fisheye, the 11-24mm is your best bet but on a crop sensor it gives the angle of view of a 17.5-38.5mm. The 70-200mm f/2.8 is widely regarded as the best zoom lens for wedding or event photography, and it has no APS-C equal.

What lag issues do you have with the 5DMk2? I don't have any with mine.
 
The APS-H sensor of the 1Dmk3/4 fit in nicely between full frame and APS-C - I wish they hadn't abandoned it. :o
 
Looking at this site regarding speed and lag

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II-vs-Canon_EOS_7D/detailed

Shoots significantly faster 8 fps vs 3.9 fps
Significantly less shutter lag 131 ms vs 206 ms
Barely any delay taking photos 131 ms shutter lag

The focus seems also seemed a little older

Significantly more cross-type focus points 19 vs 1
More focus points 19 vs 9

I could either get a 7D and 70-200 F2.8 or 5D2 and 70-200 F4 - but for me personally, it seemed the 7D was the better choice.
 
Dolby said:
Looking at this site regarding speed and lag

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II-vs-Canon_EOS_7D/detailed

Shoots significantly faster 8 fps vs 3.9 fps
Significantly less shutter lag 131 ms vs 206 ms
Barely any delay taking photos 131 ms shutter lag

The focus seems also seemed a little older

Significantly more cross-type focus points 19 vs 1
More focus points 19 vs 9

I could either get a 7D and 70-200 F2.8 or 5D2 and 70-200 F4 - but for me personally, it seemed the 7D was the better choice.
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I don't break my neck over those comparison sites any more than I do over DXOMark, I prefer to compare real world usage. I'll bite anyway :)

FPS - Already been covered, the 7D wins no contest.

Lag - I thought you meant the system lags the way some Sony mirrorless cameras do with it locking up until it finishes processing whatever it's busy with. I was confused as I've never experienced that on my 5DMk2. A difference of 75ms is so small that human inconsistencies will more than make up the difference. Additionally, that's total lag including focus lag. Focus lag can be extremely inconsistent and will vary from lens to lens. The actual shutter lag, which is a lot more consistent, seems to be around 50ms to 80ms for both cameras from the quick bit of searching I've just done.

Focus points - I'm going to go against the grain and say it's subjective. Lots of AF points are a waste for me because I find that you spend too much time trying to select the correct focus point and it's far easier to use the center point only (which is either the most accurate and sensitive or part of a small group of the most accurate and sensitive AF points), lock focus and recompose (back button focus is king here). That's just me, I know many people would disagree.

The 70-200 on an APS-C sensor gives you an effective field of view of 112-320mm which has its ups and downs. I have a 70-300mm and can say with perfect honesty I've never taken a shot at 70mm (112mm effective) where I haven't wished I could zoom out slightly more but I was using the wrong lens at the time and had to make do. I don't have that issue with my 5DMk2.

You might think that with the way I'm bashing the 7D I absolutely hate it, but... 80 % of the time I'd rather have the 7D than the 5DMk2 as it suites me better. The higher framerate is great for wildlife photography, as is the greater reach at the long end of my 70-300mm (an effective 480mm). Wildlife accounts for most of my shots, so the camera would work for me. The want of a crop sensor and higher framerate are the reasons I'm contemplating a 50D.

However, when I'm doing landscapes, fine art, conceptual, astro, event or still life photography I'll take the 5DMk2 for the higher image quality, better ISO performance and wider field of view.
 
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