'Help, I've been shot!'

[Glock26]

....stop reading what you want to read and start realizing there is more to life than just bang bang. Your name says it all.

Get real. Which part of "I still believe people are only shot if they try anything funny. No human being will shoot another just because they can" did I misread?
I think it you you who needs to wake up, stop living in dreamland and stop accusing 1000's of innocent people shot every year of "trying something"
You insult all victims of crime and should be ashamed of yourself. Criticising my username? This from someone calling themselves Pitbull???

"Close calls"? I bet there are others reading this that wish they had "close calls" instead of what happened to them. You owe many victims an apology

Go troll somewhere else.

G26

 

[Pitbull]

No seriously, you need a wake up call mate

Maybe I need to be shot before I change my perception. Maybe you need to be shot to have that OMG THEY WILL SHOOT US metality. I have been stabbed in the back twice on one evening. Do I now think everyone gets stabbed

You have never been shot clearly, so how can you just assume you will get shot for nothing ? Maybe you should assume less and think/live more.

So having a percetion other than your's is trolling ? (I think you failed there)

I have not been in any situation in my 29 years of live that made me think people will just shoot because they can. So who am I to assume that they do ? Get a grip mate, your a prisoner to your own fear

 

[Pitbull]

Don't be a dumbass, people have been stabbed for R2. Shot for R10 or some crappy cheap ass cellphone. F that, people have been shot or stabbed for road rage. People kill other people for insurance money or just even jealousy.

Hey, I've been stabbed in a brawl..... twice. Does that mean every person in a brawl get's stabbed ? Does that mean every person being robbed of R 2 gets stabbed/Shot/Mamed ?

No.

It's time people start respecting each other instead of labeling them. Maybe then there would be no such a need for this thread. Most murders commited was planned and someone in the friends/family circle was behind it. That is a proven fact. Sure you do get the odd killing here and there which is not related but that is a small part of the equasion

 

[Glock26]

You did not say "many people get shot after trying something"
You said "...people are only shot if they try anything funny. No human being will shoot another just because they can."
That is the stupidest comment I have yet read on Myadsl.
Don't you read the newspapers? Don't you watch the news? or are you one of those people that puts their head in the sand as as long as you can't see it, it isn't happening?
Female cyclist shot just this week for her cellphone. In the townships, people are shot daily for their cellphones without "trying anything"
I have personal experience. You have none. Being stabbed in a brawl should have taught you that it does happen.

Maybe you need to live in a dreamworld to enable you to cope daily. If that is it..feel free.
I see people daily that have gone through more in one day than you have gone through in your whole life.
I don't live in denial, and I don't live in fear either.

You are only making yourself look silly and uncaring for those who have experienced it. Have some respect.

Oh...and no-where in life does it say that you need things to happen to you directly to prove they do happen. That is some weird psychological problem you have there.

G26

 

[Glock26]

Most murders commited was planned and someone in the friends/family circle was behind it. That is a proven fact. Sure you do get the odd killing here and there which is not related but that is a small part of the equasion

There you go with another unbelievably wrong quote that is just so laughable it doesn't even have to be challenged.
Do you really believe that?
It's not even close to true. Most murders are unplanned and have nothing to do with relations at all. They are robberies that go wrong or just plain violence. Not just in this country, but in most countries.
That statement would be completely laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

OH!!! You want proof? Ok. Figure 11. http://www.iss.co.za/Pubs/Monographs/No18/Victims.html

G26

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

It's time people start respecting each other instead of labeling them. Maybe then there would be no such a need for this thread. Most murders commited was planned and someone in the friends/family circle was behind it. That is a proven fact. Sure you do get the odd killing here and there which is not related but that is a small part of the equasion

Good lord, how jaded is that statement

 

[Pitbull]

There you go with another unbelievably wrong quote that is just so laughable it doesn't even have to be challenged.
Do you really believe that?
It's not even close to true. Most murders are unplanned and have nothing to do with relations at all. They are robberies that go wrong or just plain violence. Not just in this country, but in most countries.
That statement would be completely laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

OH!!! You want proof? Ok. Figure 11. http://www.iss.co.za/Pubs/Monographs/No18/Victims.html

G26

Stats of 10 years back

Seriously, give it a rest There is no such a thing, it's all in your head. Stop being so paranoid. The day you are a direct victim of crime that you had no means of ensuring it didn't happen to you. Then my friend I would appologise

Till then, you are just another moaner and nothing more.

 

[Pitbull]

Let me give you the 2001 monograph

In 54.4% of incidents, victims and offenders did not know one another, in 19.3% of incidents, they were acquainted ,and in 26.3% of cases, they knew one another well.

www.iss.co.za/Pubs/Monographs/No55/Chap14.html

So out of 24 000 killings about 1/2 of it was people related to the victim. So 12 000 random people where killed out of a total population of 40 million. That is 0.03% of the total population....

Wow, you have it smack on the money, you and the people you know must be pretty unlucky ...

 

[Pitbull]

Now lets pretend the ration between knowing the victim and it being random is still the same.

Figures for 2007/2008

http://www.info.gov.za/speeches/2008/08063016121001.htm

Murder and attempted murder: 13 620

So 1/2 of that is what ..... lets say 7000

7000 out of a population of 40 million...... damn, now my head hurts

 

[Slaine73]

I think all of you who say there is foul play here have clearly not read all the facts!!

Unbeknown to Ebel was that as he lay under his Jeep Cherokee looking for an oil leak, Furrutter's killers were about to attack him.

The impending attack on him was halted as Furrutter, who lived in South Africa for 45 years, arrived.

Changing tactics the men charged Furrutter, apparently pulling him from his car and shooting him in the neck as he pleaded for his life and urged his killers to take his wallet and cellphone.

Leaving him to roll on the edge of the highway while frantically trying to stop the bleeding with his bare hands, the gunmen turned their attention to Ebel, who fought frantically to stop being dragged from underneath his car as Furrutter screamed for help.

After pulling him from underneath the car the men repeatedly punched and kicked him before they grabbed his cellphone and R5 000 in cash.

With their loot in hand the men ran across the busy highway into the township where they disappeared, leaving Furrutter to bleed to death in the road.

Shaking his head as he wiped his face with his blood-stained hands, Ebel, supported by a friend, watched as police cordoned off the scene looking for clues to the identity of Furrutter's killers.

Ok I must say this is not the same article as the one I read this morning. In the one I read there were a lot of things that didn't make sense and a whole lot of gaps. This one makes sense.

 

[Pitbull]

I think all of you who say there is foul play here have clearly not read all the facts!!

Unbeknown to Ebel was that as he lay under his Jeep Cherokee looking for an oil leak, Furrutter's killers were about to attack him.

The impending attack on him was halted as Furrutter, who lived in South Africa for 45 years, arrived.

Changing tactics the men charged Furrutter, apparently pulling him from his car and shooting him in the neck as he pleaded for his life and urged his killers to take his wallet and cellphone.

Leaving him to roll on the edge of the highway while frantically trying to stop the bleeding with his bare hands, the gunmen turned their attention to Ebel, who fought frantically to stop being dragged from underneath his car as Furrutter screamed for help.

After pulling him from underneath the car the men repeatedly punched and kicked him before they grabbed his cellphone and R5 000 in cash.

With their loot in hand the men ran across the busy highway into the township where they disappeared, leaving Furrutter to bleed to death in the road.

Shaking his head as he wiped his face with his blood-stained hands, Ebel, supported by a friend, watched as police cordoned off the scene looking for clues to the identity of Furrutter's killers.

Mr One post wonder, do you have a link to this article you are quoting ?

In both articles I read it clearly said The guy under the Jeep was not assaulted

 

[Abe]

Or panicked afer they shot the guy and fled.

That was definitely not the case as they robbed the guy under the car afterwards.

 

[Glock26]

Do you have ADD or something?
You keep speaking about different things and meandering about.
The issue you raised is about people being shot for no reason. Then, with foot firmly in mouth, you start going off about % of the population subjected to crime and related to one another and everything else not related to the issue.

For your info: (the "stats" you quote)

In this research, conclusions are drawn from 57 incidents analysed, which comprised 7.2% of the docket sample.

57 incidents??? What do you call that? Definitive proof? They HAND picked the cases to analyse!

Sorry, but anyone will tell you that 10 year old % stats will reflect similar stats to ones today.

And don't be silly enough to compare percentages to the total population. For that, you need to also get the stats on rape, robbery, assault etc etc.

I am still not sure what point you are trying to make.
Then again..you could be one of those people who it is often said about "he takes ages to make his pointless"

G26

 

[Pitbull]

Do you have ADD or something?
You keep speaking about different things and meandering about.
The issue you raised is about people being shot for no reason. Then, with foot firmly in mouth, you start going off about % of the population subjected to crime and related to one another and everything else not related to the issue.

For your info: (the "stats" you quote)

57 incidents??? What do you call that? Definitive proof? They HAND picked the cases to analyse!

Sorry, but anyone will tell you that 10 year old % stats will reflect similar stats to ones today.

And don't be silly enough to compare percentages to the total population. For that, you need to also get the stats on rape, robbery, assault etc etc.

I am still not sure what point you are trying to make.
Then again..you could be one of those people who it is often said about "he takes ages to make his pointless"

G26

There is no such thing as shooting for pleasure. Period.
You live in a dream world you created by your own fear, unless you pose a threat to said individuals they will not shoot you. Why do people get bitten by snakes ? Are snakes aggressors in confrontations ? .....

It's nature, now unless you are from planet "Clingon" or something. You are still bound by the rules of nature. Thus unless you have some sort of mental defect (Phsycotic i think it's called it will not happen)

Sure you get some hate crimes but again that is people directly related to the people who are murdered. (Farm workers killing farmers ring a bell?)

But Mr. Glock "I can shoot and I will not be killed attitude". Pls try and fight them bare hands when you are caught in a house robbery while you where sleeping

Don't get me wrong, I will fight till the death to defend my family. But I will know the reason I got shot and killed. I will not be shot for nothing just because they have a gun and I'm defenseless

Seriously mate, your view is rather messed up.

 

[Glock26]

*deleted due to really no point at all*

Sigh

 

[Pitbull]

/facepalm

 

[blunomore]

Good lord, Pitbull, take a chilpill, or have a big steak, or go buy a house.

Whatever will relax you

 

[FantaFest]

Lol guys,some people don't need to be provoked to become violent (Go to a local club full of jocks for example,they pick to fight people with no reason) and some people need to be provoked to do violent things.

Like I read on the news the other day some kid stabbed another kid after or before the match or something because of an argument( 16yr old stabbed 18yr old-he died.)

Just people have different thresholds of tolerance before violence.

Basically some people do get killed even if the don't do anything and others have to provoke before the guy would actually kill. Idk-my whole message seems broken lol

 

[Vrotappel]

In SA having a break down is a death sentence, it is time to cordon off these townships with electric fences to ensure that motorists don't get killed for a phone and cash.

 

[Sackboy]

Lol guys,some people don't need to be provoked to become violent (Go to a local club full of jocks for example,they pick to fight people with no reason) and some people need to be provoked to do violent things.

Like I read on the news the other day some kid stabbed another kid after or before the match or something because of an argument( 16yr old stabbed 18yr old-he died.)

Just people have different thresholds of tolerance before violence.

Basically some people do get killed even if the don't do anything and others have to provoke before the guy would actually kill. Idk-my whole message seems broken lol

Having watched Ross Kemp on gangs in Cape Town, I'd have to agree with this. They DO shoot & kill for the thrill of it. Tik Tok