Hermanus riots

Also, something many might not be aware of and maybe relevant to the situation today, is that housing has indeed been a hot topic for everyone for a couple of years. About 2015 or 2016, there were similar demonstrations, tyre burnings and road closures around the same area when the 'coloured' community from Mount Pleasant went on a mini rampage and complained about RDP houses going to 'black' incomers.

All of which kind of makes you wonder how this protest by 'blacks' is aimed at others when they were the perceived recipients a few years ago of a large batch of RDP housing.
 
Spizz said:
Also, something many might not be aware of and maybe relevant to the situation today, is that housing has indeed been a hot topic for everyone for a couple of years. About 2015 or 2016, there were similar demonstrations, tyre burnings and road closures around the same area when the 'coloured' community from Mount Pleasant went on a mini rampage and complained about RDP houses going to 'black' incomers.

All of which kind of makes you wonder how this protest by 'blacks' is aimed at others when they were the perceived recipients a few years ago of a large batch of RDP housing.
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I'm amazed at how the coloureds have tolerated the influx of northerners/easterners. What little jobs/facilities/housing/schooling there is available has to be spread thinner.

For the whole WC.

I'd love to see a graph of the demographic changes here (past 50 yrs?), if anyone has access to something like that?
 
Budza said:
I'm amazed at how the coloureds have tolerated the influx of northerners/easterners. What little jobs/facilities/housing/schooling there is available has to be spread thinner.

For the whole WC.

I'd love to see a graph of the demographic changes here (past 50 yrs?), if anyone has access to something like that?
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I talked to someone on Facebook at the time and asked what was going on, she (a young coloured mother) mentioned people with homes in E Cape coming and taking houses from long term residents. That was the problem then, now it seems like a different situation although i did mention in an earlier post that I did read a post from someone saying so what if they have a property in the E Cape.

Not linked now, but perhaps bearing out the concerns from before and no doubt a problem that will rise again. Maybe sooner rather than later depending on the results of the meetings being held today.
 
SammyD said:
So I read your article, resisting the urge to skim through it, under the impression that it was somehow relevant to Gardee's tweet. After readingit and then looking inot the cases he cited, I've come to the conclusion that these are completely different case. The Soweto example although resulting from a land invasion can be easily dismissed by your rapid urban migration comment and I'd much rather not deal with it or the Khayelitsha case since they both carry too much pre-1994 baggage. Msholozi Village though. also mentioned in Gardee's tweet is a prie example of land invaders turned formal residents. The land was invaded in 2009 by about 3000 people.
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Read up on the history,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soweto

also this PDF article, and there are more resources on this topic, it has nothing to be compared by today's land invasions.

https://econrsa.org/system/files/workshops/presentations/2011/mears-paper-ersa-2011.pdf (PDF)

SammyD said:
https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2009-08-17-premier-slams-land-invaders/

The long and short of it, they came , they settled, complained about being ignored and the government formalized their settlements so they can provide services.

https://mpumalanganews.co.za/236352/formalization-of-msholozi-continues/

The invasions have been continuing up to as late as January this year yet this outcry was nowhere to be seen.

https://mpumalanganews.co.za/330064/illegal-land-grab-resurfaces-msholozi/
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The above, which is ignored is that Msholozi is actually on state owned land. Sorry to read this,

Some residents have already bought portions of land from yesterday from certain individuals who claim to have an agreement with the rightful owner of lands to sell the land. However, some residents think what is happening is illegal.
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since the owner is the state. However, it not simply open land which was invaded. It was in the state's best interest to allocate the land for the people by establishing a township and wait for it, Ward. For interest, is this not what the DA proposed instead of expropriating without compensation? These People will still need deeds... Forceful repossession, no, in fact,

"You have done a very wrong thing by invading this land and created a serious problem. You are adults, where were you living before you came to this area?" Mabuza asked.
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SammyD said:
And no, grabs are really nothing new. Here's a case from 2001 of land invasion threats no different from those Abahlali Basemjondolo Shack Dwellers Association make.

https://www.news24.com/xArchive/Archive/Land-invasion-threat-in-Mpuma-20010527

Its unfortunate that my example has involvement of South Africa's resident special child.
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I never said that is a new phenomenon, my argument is forceful repossession vs informal settlement by founding or established terms. Land grabs are an opportunity to secure land, isn't it? Remember, expropriation without compensation is targeting privately owned land.
 
Hot off the presses.

Hermanus CPF update 27/03/18 at 17h30 : Following the meeting this afternoon with the MEC of Human Settlement the following has been resolved. A piece of land in the Schulphoek area has been identified for development for backyard dwellers from Zwelihle. The MEC will form a multi governmental committee within 2 weeks to formulate processes and timelines in the development of this land. The process will be transparent and there will be a full audit of the backyard dwellers to ensure that those who receive the benefit of this negotiation are eligible. The community has undertaken to ensure that peace and stability is restored in Zwelihle and that things will return to normal. SAPS will continue monitoring the situation and will maintain high visibility for the time being.
The Sandbaai Hall will be open tonight for displaced persons and by tomorrow this should all have been resolved.
79 persons have been arrested, 30 of whom have appeared in court already. Nobody has been released on bail and they will appear in Court again next week.
There were various malicious rumors spread during the last few days which have had a negative affect on the mind set of our communities, and we appeal to the public please not to fall into the trap of believing everything read on social media.
The CPF commends all agency commanders and their officers for the dedication and hard work that has been put in - we have personally witnessed how deep they have dug. Thank you!
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I assume this means making the informal settlement bigger? Viva EFF viva. Now do we watch the surrounding towns and villages follow suit?

Schit, I have every sympathy for the people affected and living in shacks, but again, imagine if we had dealt with this 20 odd years ago instead of watching the politicians line their pockets and cover it up today by promoting racial tensions. I had hoped for a day when the people would open their eyes, but I'm afraid I don't think that will happen anytime soon.
 
And now let's see what the people at the top of Schulphoek Road say who already feel aggrieved at losing out on housing.

i.e. the coloured residents of Mount Pleasant.
 
Spizz said:
And now let's see what the people at the top of Schulphoek Road say who already feel aggrieved at losing out on housing.

i.e. the coloured residents of Mount Pleasant.
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Sucks to hear man, I'm sure those folks would be frustrated too, so Hermanus is kill?
 
Spizz said:
I talked to someone on Facebook at the time and asked what was going on, she (a young coloured mother) mentioned people with homes in E Cape coming and taking houses from long term residents. That was the problem then, now it seems like a different situation although i did mention in an earlier post that I did read a post from someone saying so what if they have a property in the E Cape.

Not linked now, but perhaps bearing out the concerns from before and no doubt a problem that will rise again. Maybe sooner rather than later depending on the results of the meetings being held today.
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Yup.

Spizz said:
And now let's see what the people at the top of Schulphoek Road say who already feel aggrieved at losing out on housing.

i.e. the coloured residents of Mount Pleasant.
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Again, I'm surprised how complacent they've been.

I'd go so far as to say they're having housing/land/facilities stolen from under their noses. There are minimal legit black claims to any land or services in the WC (that coloureds haven't been claiming already).

Join the queue, by all means. But join at the back.
 
Budza said:
Yup


Again, I'm surprised how complacent they've been.

I'd go so far as to say they're having housing/land/facilities stolen from under their noses. There are minimal legit black claims to any land or services in the WC (that coloureds haven't been claiming already).

Join the queue, by all means. But join at the back.
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That's sucks balls to hear, total majority muscling everyone out.
 
SammyD said:
So basically other than the DA pointing fingers, there is no evidence that this is EFF orchestrated. Also, I asked for statements from the community stating they are acting on the EFF's orders and made provision for this to involve underhand tactics. None of those articles give any answers. I mean sure, the invaders may be EFF affiliated but that by no means they were mandated by the EFF to do so. ANC supporters have been invading land since before the EFF was formed, does that mean that those were ANC sanctioned. And I've also asked why this would suddenly be a thing years after the EFF made this policy.

And before anyone asks, no I'm not affiliated with the EFF or any other political party.
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EFF hands all over this. Just like fees must fall BS.
 
Spliffcat said:
This country is fekked.
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I’ve been hearing that said for a very very long time. But on the ground I see most business thriving and growing, even in the middle of the Zuma years growth was possible.

We really have polarized views in SA
 
scud said:
I’ve been hearing that said for a very very long time. But on the ground I see most business thriving and growing, even in the middle of the Zuma years growth was possible.

We really have polarized views in SA
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Thriving at such low growth rates? Remarkable!
 
They need to shoot these [censored] with live ammo
 
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Milano said:
Thriving at such low growth rates? Remarkable!
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Maybe I live in a bubble, but yes, everyone I talk to is doing well , despite zumas rule. And I’m feeling positive growth rate will improve now he’s gone. Obviously lots of challenges ahead, but they all need to be faced head on
 
scud said:
Maybe I live in a bubble, but yes, everyone I talk to is doing well , despite zumas rule. And I’m feeling positive growth rate will improve now he’s gone. Obviously lots of challenges ahead, but they all need to be faced head on
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Something tells me you would feel optimistic even if you lived in Syria.
 
scud said:
Maybe I live in a bubble, but yes, everyone I talk to is doing well , despite zumas rule. And I’m feeling positive growth rate will improve now he’s gone. Obviously lots of challenges ahead, but they all need to be faced head on
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Ignorance as they say, is bliss.
 
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