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Hong Kong protests
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DreamKing
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The_Unbeliever
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Once you've had the taste of freedom, you will fight for it when it's gone (and you realize it)...
That is for sure !
China will crush them like a bug , they have no option .
China is huge and if they let them get away with any thing insurrection will spring up in other places.
As the article correctly states they can't.
itareanlnotani
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Meanwhile here on the mainland (I'm back in Shanghai at the moment), China has pretty much blocked all news about the 'rioting'.
Today saw most foreign internet press sites blocked, and Instagram is now completely blocked on the mainland.
Going to be interesting in the next week or so, October national holidays start on Wednesday, and there will be a *lot* of mainlanders in HK.
WeChat has been full of posts from people about it, but its mostly p2p as official news is blocked.
Today saw most foreign internet press sites blocked, and Instagram is now completely blocked on the mainland.
Going to be interesting in the next week or so, October national holidays start on Wednesday, and there will be a *lot* of mainlanders in HK.
WeChat has been full of posts from people about it, but its mostly p2p as official news is blocked.
You are probably right, but they've got to make the gesture. Cause China as much grief as possible. Egg-on mainland protests etc. Go down fighting (even if it's ultimately futile).
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Worked for Tibet...
The_Assimilator
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While I would love to see these protesters succeed, the sad fact is that China doesn't back down. And they'll use the protests as an excuse to fast-track the "reforms" to Hong Kong democracy, in the name of public safety or somesuch.
The only real question is - how many will die trying to prevent the inevitable?
Tibet doesn't have the economic importance that Hong Kong does. Sadly, money talks.
The only real question is - how many will die trying to prevent the inevitable?
Tibet doesn't have the economic importance that Hong Kong does. Sadly, money talks.
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I have been to Hong Kong and various parts of China.
It is completely day and night and I can see why those from Hong Kong would have an issue with this.China made me nervous, flying back to Hong Kong from Wuhan was like a little homecoming...
LazyLion
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ASIAN SHARES MIXED, HONG KONG TUMBLES AFTER PROTESTS
Asian markets were mixed Monday, with Hong Kong tumbling more than two percent at one point after a weekend of unrest as pro-democracy demonstrations led to the closure of parts of the city.
The stand-off, the worst since the handover in 1997, saw police fire tear gas into crowds of thousands of protesters on Sunday and has led to the closure of several businesses, bank branches and schools.
Protest leaders have vowed not to back down until Beijing gives in to their demands for full universal suffrage.
Hong Kong slumped 1.90 percent, or 449.20 points, to 23,229.21, recovering somewhat after losing 2.31 percent during intraday trade.
The city's banking giants took a heavy hit, with HSBC ending down 1.77 percent, Hang Seng Bank 2.42 percent lower and Standard Chartered down 2.54 percent.
The index was already on a downtrend owing to concerns about the Chinese economy following a string of weak indicators recently. It has lost 6.5 percent since hitting its 2014 high at the start of the month.
A report by New York-based advisory firm JL Warren Capital said: "We are likely to see (a) major sell-off and volatility for days to come" in the Hong Kong stock market.
Elsewhere Sydney ended 0.93 percent lower, shedding 49.2 points to 5,264.2, while Seoul eased 0.25 percent, or 5.04 points, to close at 2,026.60.
However, Tokyo finished 0.50 percent higher, adding 80.78 points to 16,310.64. Shanghai put on 0.43 percent, or 9.99 points, to 2,357.71, with mainland investors seemingly unfazed by events in Hong Kong.
Japanese shares ticked up as the dollar pushed up against the yen, heading towards the 110 yen mark after US data showed the economy expanded at its fastest pace since 2011 during the April-June quarter.
Gross domestic product grew 4.6 percent, the Commerce Department said, better than the previous 4.2 percent estimate.
The figure showed a strong rebound from the first quarter's 2.1 percent contraction, which was blamed in part on unusually severe winter weather.
The news sent the dollar higher in New York, hitting 109.28 in late trade Friday. On Monday the greenback bought 109.60 yen.
In Tokyo Monday the euro was at $1.2686 compared with $1.2683 while it was also at 139.05 yen, from 138.60 yen.
Wall Street Friday provided a strong lead for Asia, with the Dow rising 0.99 percent, the S&P 500 adding 0.86 percent and the Nasdaq rallying 1.02 percent.
On oil markets US benchmark West Texas Intermediate for November delivery dropped 54 cents to $93.00. Brent crude for November fell 31 cents to $96.69 in afternoon trade.
Gold was at $1,218.69 an ounce against $1,223.10 late Friday.
In other markets:
-- Taipei fell 0.32 percent, or 29.06 points, to 8,960.76.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co was 0.41 percent lower at Tw$120.5, while Hon Hai Precision Industry gained 0.51 percent to Tw$97.6.
-- Wellington rose 0.11 percent, or 6.02 points, to 5,259.51.
Spark was up 0.34 percent at NZ$2.96 and Xero added 1.69 percent to NZ$21.00.
-- Manila was marginally higher, adding 4.06 points to 7,265.36.
Philippine Long Distance Telephone fell 3.38 percent to 3,090 pesos while Globe Telecom declined 5.61 percent to 1,667 pesos. BDO Unibank was unchanged at 97 pesos.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 29 Sep 2014 10:39
Asian markets were mixed Monday, with Hong Kong tumbling more than two percent at one point after a weekend of unrest as pro-democracy demonstrations led to the closure of parts of the city.
The stand-off, the worst since the handover in 1997, saw police fire tear gas into crowds of thousands of protesters on Sunday and has led to the closure of several businesses, bank branches and schools.
Protest leaders have vowed not to back down until Beijing gives in to their demands for full universal suffrage.
Hong Kong slumped 1.90 percent, or 449.20 points, to 23,229.21, recovering somewhat after losing 2.31 percent during intraday trade.
The city's banking giants took a heavy hit, with HSBC ending down 1.77 percent, Hang Seng Bank 2.42 percent lower and Standard Chartered down 2.54 percent.
The index was already on a downtrend owing to concerns about the Chinese economy following a string of weak indicators recently. It has lost 6.5 percent since hitting its 2014 high at the start of the month.
A report by New York-based advisory firm JL Warren Capital said: "We are likely to see (a) major sell-off and volatility for days to come" in the Hong Kong stock market.
Elsewhere Sydney ended 0.93 percent lower, shedding 49.2 points to 5,264.2, while Seoul eased 0.25 percent, or 5.04 points, to close at 2,026.60.
However, Tokyo finished 0.50 percent higher, adding 80.78 points to 16,310.64. Shanghai put on 0.43 percent, or 9.99 points, to 2,357.71, with mainland investors seemingly unfazed by events in Hong Kong.
Japanese shares ticked up as the dollar pushed up against the yen, heading towards the 110 yen mark after US data showed the economy expanded at its fastest pace since 2011 during the April-June quarter.
Gross domestic product grew 4.6 percent, the Commerce Department said, better than the previous 4.2 percent estimate.
The figure showed a strong rebound from the first quarter's 2.1 percent contraction, which was blamed in part on unusually severe winter weather.
The news sent the dollar higher in New York, hitting 109.28 in late trade Friday. On Monday the greenback bought 109.60 yen.
In Tokyo Monday the euro was at $1.2686 compared with $1.2683 while it was also at 139.05 yen, from 138.60 yen.
Wall Street Friday provided a strong lead for Asia, with the Dow rising 0.99 percent, the S&P 500 adding 0.86 percent and the Nasdaq rallying 1.02 percent.
On oil markets US benchmark West Texas Intermediate for November delivery dropped 54 cents to $93.00. Brent crude for November fell 31 cents to $96.69 in afternoon trade.
Gold was at $1,218.69 an ounce against $1,223.10 late Friday.
In other markets:
-- Taipei fell 0.32 percent, or 29.06 points, to 8,960.76.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co was 0.41 percent lower at Tw$120.5, while Hon Hai Precision Industry gained 0.51 percent to Tw$97.6.
-- Wellington rose 0.11 percent, or 6.02 points, to 5,259.51.
Spark was up 0.34 percent at NZ$2.96 and Xero added 1.69 percent to NZ$21.00.
-- Manila was marginally higher, adding 4.06 points to 7,265.36.
Philippine Long Distance Telephone fell 3.38 percent to 3,090 pesos while Globe Telecom declined 5.61 percent to 1,667 pesos. BDO Unibank was unchanged at 97 pesos.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 29 Sep 2014 10:39
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
HONG KONG RIOT POLICE 'WITHDRAWN' FROM PROTESTS: GOVT
Hong Kong's authorities announced Monday they were withdrawing riot police from the streets of the protest-wracked city in a major concession to pro-democracy demonstrators.
A statement posted on the government's website read: "Because citizens gathered on the street have calmed, riot police have been withdrawn."
The statement also called on protesters "to give up occupied roads as soon as possible for emergency vehicles to pass through and for the partial restoration of public transport services".
Thousands of protesters have taken control of at least three major thoroughfares, paralysing parts of the city after hours of overnight battles with police firing tear gas.
Throughout Monday morning the police presence has been noticeably more subdued with riot police replaced by smaller numbers of officers in everyday uniforms.
At one protest site in the busy Causeway Bay shopping district there was no visible police presence.
But demonstrators have shown little sign of heeding the government's call to leave the streets.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 29 Sep 2014 07:39
Hong Kong's authorities announced Monday they were withdrawing riot police from the streets of the protest-wracked city in a major concession to pro-democracy demonstrators.
A statement posted on the government's website read: "Because citizens gathered on the street have calmed, riot police have been withdrawn."
The statement also called on protesters "to give up occupied roads as soon as possible for emergency vehicles to pass through and for the partial restoration of public transport services".
Thousands of protesters have taken control of at least three major thoroughfares, paralysing parts of the city after hours of overnight battles with police firing tear gas.
Throughout Monday morning the police presence has been noticeably more subdued with riot police replaced by smaller numbers of officers in everyday uniforms.
At one protest site in the busy Causeway Bay shopping district there was no visible police presence.
But demonstrators have shown little sign of heeding the government's call to leave the streets.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 29 Sep 2014 07:39
It's more than that. Hong Kong was handed over with strings attached. If China tries to make Hong Kong like the rest of China they'll be in breach. China cannot just do whatever it wants there and they know it, otherwise they would have just done their usual of going in, killing everyone or arresting them to be killed later, and blocked reporting of what was going on.
China has backed down before.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Hong Kong protests: Demonstrators clean up and recycle after night of clashes
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ter-night-of-clashes-with-police-9761598.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ter-night-of-clashes-with-police-9761598.html
The_Assimilator
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And who's going to hold them accountable for breaching those terms? Nobody. So the terms may as well not exist, much like the promises made to Ukraine in return fro its nuclear disarmament.
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Nobody. China, if she wanted to, could replace the government of HK SAR tomorrow and there would be NOTHING the UK or the US could do about it. If Chinese nationalist opinion goes that way, the government there will have to do that or face a coup.
DreamKing
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Hong Kong protests: Demonstrators clean up and recycle after night of clashes
can you believe it?
no throwing stones,
no burning tyres,
no looting shops,
......
and clean up after clashes ??!!!!!
:wtf:
never will happen in SA.
can you believe it?
no throwing stones,
no burning tyres,
no looting shops,
......
and clean up after clashes ??!!!!!
:wtf:
never will happen in SA.
DreamKing
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In accordance with the "one country, two systems" principle agreed between the UK and the PRC, the socialist system of PRC would not be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), and Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and its way of life would remain unchanged for a period of 50 years until 2047. The Joint Declaration provides that these basic policies should be stipulated in the Hong Kong Basic Law and that the socialist system and socialist policies shall not be practised in HKSAR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration
The_Assimilator
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Again, do you really think Britain is going to enforce this declaration when the PRC violates it?