How do I make a 12v UPS??

For interests sake, could u just buy something like this, and use it to power a laptop during blackouts using a car battery.

http://www.bushpower.co.za/products.asp?pc=8

And if the answer is yes, how long would the average laptop run with a standard car battery.

Any ideas?

And if the above is not the best option, what is?
 
For interests sake, could u just buy something like this, and use it to power a laptop during blackouts using a car battery.

http://www.bushpower.co.za/products.asp?pc=8

And if the answer is yes, how long would the average laptop run with a standard car battery.

Any ideas?

And if the above is not the best option, what is?

Depends on the battery, also you need a deep cycle battery, if the battery is rated 50amp hours (abbreviated aH) then it can handle 50amps for 1 hour, so if the device you wish to power runs from 12volts @ 1amp you'll have 50 hours of battery life.

Furthermore, I know for a fact that unregulated AC->DC adapters that are used by routers don't supply 12v at best they supply 15v. The only AC->DC adapters that actually supplies the voltage you select is regulated type, and they start selling at around R200, I have yet to encounter a router/modem/etc. that sells with a regulated powersupply.

On the issue of current, the device has regulator IC, they all do, simply because they sell with unregulated AC->DC adapters but even if they didn't voltage and resistance determines the amount of current that can flow. Resistance decreases as voltage increases which is why higher voltages can damage circuits or kill people it can overcome more resistance to allow more current to flow.
 
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If you are into DIY

Hi,

If you are willing to build something, there is a guide here http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/charger2.asp

that tells how to make a 12v battery charger that uses a SCR(Thyristor/Sillicon Controlled Rectifier) to regulate the charge of the Sealed Lead Acid Battery. The Idea is the charger reduces the charge current automatically as the battery gets up to full charge. This sort of charging circuit should be suitable for continuous cyclical changing, e.g you have it connected to the battery all the time.
You should be able to get the parts at somewhere like Communica. http://www.communica.co.za/ It is a really simple project to build assuming you can solder onto veroboard. Oh, and if you were to buy a ready made charger like that you would pay hundreds of bucks. All the parts should not come to much more than R100. (Except maybe the transformer)

If ya have questions, pm or email me.

Steed.
 
Hi,

Using SCRs for battery charging has been around for a while. I learnt about it back in 1997. Something to keep in mind is that you might want to search around google for other schematics. I found that one via google. I see however that it does load the battery slightly when the mains is off.
Things to keep in mind also is that SCRs are noisey, in that they make Electromagnetic Interference when they switch. This can lead to Interference with analog radio and tv. A way to reduce this can be to add some small bipolar caps across the joints of the SCR. However this is not always necessary unless you experience a problem.
You also want to make sure you get a big enough transformer, of at least 60VA or higher.

One other thing, I see the guy is only doing half wave rectification. You might want to look into modding the circuit to use full-wave as that would be more efficient use of power.

Regards,

Steed.
 
Pardon my ignorance but if you're just looking for a 12V supply via UPS, why not just make a cable with a C14 power connector on the one side (male kettle plug) and a socket with an adaptor on the other? You should be able to just plug that into the UPS?
 
@dablakmark8: Now I'm going to admit that I am no professional with electronics but I did research it extensively to grasp the concept.

Volts is the potential for electrons to flow through a point. Amps is the amount of electrons that can flow. So if you have low volts and high amps, you won't shock and similarly if you have low amps and high volts you won't shock.

The volts is the force pushing the electrons and the amps is the amount of electrons that the power source can provide to flow.

So if you have a 12v battery that can provide high amps it will be fine and low amps will also be fine providing that the amount of amps that the battery can provide is higher than what the device requires.

I have successfully set up a battery back up that works with a telkom adsl router and done various small projects with small computer projects using the computers power supply. I have never blown anything either.

Volts is pushing force.
Amps is the amount of electrons that flows.
 
Well, if you are sensible you should not have any trouble working with electricity. The difference is that low voltage is safer to work with because the voltage is low. I mean you can put ur hands across the battery terminals and you wont shock. Try that across the mains with 240v and its another story. Remember that the mains can supply 240V at up to 20A in most homes. This is enough to fry you multiple times over. Fortunately most homes have working Earth Leakage Relays that trip from 30ma upwards. that is supposed to be enough to give you a good shock but not kill you. However if you got stuck on a plug without the earth leakage working to trip, you are quite likely to die.

When it comes to low voltage high current power sources like car batteries, one still has to be wary. While you can still touch the terminals without shocking because of the low voltage, the battery can make a LOT of current. Therefore if you say shorted the battery of like 100ah, or higher, you are going to have over 100amps flow through that short. This creates incredibly high temperatures, which are very dangerous. A Short from a car battery can bring the heat up to a couple of hundred degrees celcius, and its quite able to burn you fingers right off or give you some very very nasty permanent scars.

So either way, be it low voltage with high current or high voltage with low current .. be careful, respect the electricity and try know what you are doing. Taking simple precautions can safe you a lot of agony.

Regards,

Steed.
 
12V DC-to-DC UPS

Well, if you are sensible you should not have any trouble working with electricity. The difference is that low voltage is safer to work with because the voltage is low. I mean you can put ur hands across the battery terminals and you wont shock. Try that across the mains with 240v and its another story. Remember that the mains can supply 240V at up to 20A in most homes. This is enough to fry you multiple times over. Fortunately most homes have working Earth Leakage Relays that trip from 30ma upwards. that is supposed to be enough to give you a good shock but not kill you. However if you got stuck on a plug without the earth leakage working to trip, you are quite likely to die.

Except if you're one of these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ganoF0akVig

For anyone still looking for a solution like this - it will cost a little bit more than a R300 - R500 "cheapie" 240V UPS, but will run your 12V electronics for around double as long - build a cheap 12V DC Battery "UPS" for R400 - R600:
Solsum F 6.6 / 8.8 .. Solar charge regulator: R300
12V Sealed Lead Acid Battery** or old car battery (less efficient): R0 - R150
15V Laptop Power Supply: R150 - R350 (It needs to spit out at least 14.4V for Lead Acid battery.*

Hook everything up and let it power your device - the 15V PSU connects where the solar panels normally would. Using simple math you can calculate how long it should run. Or you can just run it and see how long it runs... and if you like you can reverse-calculate the efficiency of your PSU and charge controller. :-)

I would expect efficiency as follows, assuming I'm running an ADSL modem, or a 1A 12V media box, or wireless access point:
Above DC-DC solution with a 7AH battery: 6 Hours, 3-5 years.
7AH battery with PSU and no charge controller: 6 Hours, 3-12 months.
240V UPS with 7AH battery: 3 Hours, 1-2 years.
(I would love someone to test this!)

The reason the DC-DC "UPS" is a better setup than a 240V UPS, is because all cheap 240V UPSes give a square wave, or modified sine aka. still very square wave - that doesn't convert as efficiently as a pure sine wave through an induction transformer, which in itself is already only 60% efficient and with the square wave probably only 40%-50% and will heat up a lot more. The very small power supplies are switch-mode supplies, and approach 90% efficiency... but the 240V UPS is already only 80% efficient.

* To be tested: A 12V PSU might work - as the spec sheet does mention the word "Boost" so it might boost the voltage so as to properly charge the battery. But I doubt that it will work because 12V solar panels give off 18V+ quite often.
**DO NOT** USE A GEL CELL / AGM / GEL BATTERY with this charge controller - those require a lower float voltage and they will swell, gas and break. Unless your solar charge controller is of course is made for this kind of battery. You can use a Lead Acid battery on the controllers made for gel batteries, but it will never properly charge so will be less efficient.

A cheaper version of this, is, of course, to connect a power supply and your device in parallel to the battery - while it would seem that this works, it will stop working much sooner than the DC-DC solution - and I would urge you to avoid doing this for several reasons: Your battery will never properly charge - or will over-charge, gas (release potentially explosive H2 gas) and become a hazard, because it's almost impossible to get the voltage perfectly right unless you use a voltage regulator on both your load and your power supply - and configure these to balance the voltage perfectly.

Another variation, is of course, to open up your cheap UPS, and run thick copper wires to a car battery or bigger battery bank. The problem here is that if you accidentally short anything, and short-circuit the battery, you will have a fire on your hands within seconds, as the copper wire will heat up very quickly depending on its thickness, and ignite its sleeve - so you will need a fuse or a quick way to cut or disconnect all the cables - and nothing that can catch fire within range. But another problem with this is that the cheap UPS transformers are only made to run for 15 minutes max. And even then they approach 100C+ and will burn you if you touch them. I learnt this the hard way when my cheap UPS connected to a car battery ran for almost 3 hours when my pre-paid electricity ran out, and the transformer burned its way through my plastic UPS chassis and through my carpet. While I wasn't at home. Thankfully nothing caught fire.
 
Except if you're one of these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ganoF0akVig


Another variation, is of course, to open up your cheap UPS, and run thick copper wires to a car battery or bigger battery bank. The problem here is that if you accidentally short anything, and short-circuit the battery, you will have a fire on your hands within seconds, as the copper wire will heat up very quickly depending on its thickness, and ignite its sleeve - so you will need a fuse or a quick way to cut or disconnect all the cables - and nothing that can catch fire within range. But another problem with this is that the cheap UPS transformers are only made to run for 15 minutes max. And even then they approach 100C+ and will burn you if you touch them. I learnt this the hard way when my cheap UPS connected to a car battery ran for almost 3 hours when my pre-paid electricity ran out, and the transformer burned its way through my plastic UPS chassis and through my carpet. While I wasn't at home. Thankfully nothing caught fire.
Question, as I am looking at getting my router on a battery backup system. Do these cheap ~R700 ups only run for 15minutes with a timer, or switch off once the battery is run down?
Ie. will a lower load (like a router) run for much longer than the 15 minutes as is or do you need to bypass a timer to get the 3hr runtime?
 
I have conected my 12v adsl router directly to a 12v battery works perfectly
 
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