How does this work Mweb and FNB

[mo_to]

Have an mweb talk account and Fnb connect account, made a call from fnb to mweb which is a voip call and got charged for it, did the same from mweb to fnb connect, and same result, got charged. How does this
work as the calls i made were both internet calls. Anybody please explain why are they charging for internet calls.

No lecture. You asked for information on this public forum, and I input what I know about inter-connect which should answer your question..

Great that you write your own VoIP solution.

I'm glad that I could help in explaining inter-connection as per your initial post.

BTW. We're not a software programming company (you seem to be, which surprises me more wrt to your initial question), although we do sub-contract much of our work out to contractors like you. We don't believe in re-inventing the wheel. If there is a proven, tried and tested solution out there, and it's Class 5 Carrier Grade and used by other major carriers, we will consider it. We offer our clients a stable working solution, not one where we need to fix bugs. Telkom and Vodacom does not manufacture their own exchanges but contract out good and responsible companies who does...this is the difference between a 'bona-fide' carrier and a 'shoemaker' carrier.

Nevertheless, that's off topic from your thread heading, and we can debate that on another thread or forum

 

[TSpeed]

If you understand the inner workings of voip, you should have picked up that there was actaully a hidden message in my original question. "Why are they charging for an internet call" In a later post i said that i found the reason why they are charging, because they are routing the conversation through their servers, which actually defeats the purpose of P2P comms. We as users are being ripped off. To explain this concept to you would most probably take 10000 years and not 10000 hours. We found so many problems with your "bona-fide" carrier, thus the reason we designed our own software.

It's people like us that make it possible for people like you to have the freedom of choice. I am sorry that i posted the thread here, should have directed it to the software thread. I am out of here, it feels like i am talking to a wall.

 

[mo_to]

TSpeed, I've sent you a PM ...

 

[georgegolding]

It is not always as simple as it may appear....

There are many phone networks growing in South Africa (Vox, MWEB, FNB, Euphoria, ECN, MTN, Vodacom, Cell C, 8TA, Skytel, Freetel, Telfree, Dow Networks, Switchtel and the list goes on. When you make a call from lets say an MWEB VoIP account, you need to be able to terminate the call on any network in the world local or foreign. Mweb, FNB and the like will most likely only have interconnect agreements with the major players it passes traffic to such as Vodacom. MTN and Telkom and an International carrier, which means it can terminate calls directly on any of these networks.

The amount of calls MWEB will be terminating on the FNB network will be almost 0% of their voip traffic. The result is it will make no sense for them to have a direct interconnect to FNB as it is too costly to manage for such a small amount of traffic/minutes.

The result is they transit the traffic through the Telkom network to get to the FNB network and Telkom will charge them a transit fee and they charge you in return.

Once the volume of calls increases on VoIP networks the major VoIP networks will begin to connect directly to each other, this Telkom Transit fee will disappear and the cost of calling VoiP network to VoIP network will be reduced dramatically, probably by up to 75%.

So keep using VoIP get your friends to use VoIP and in time Telkom will be cut out of the occasion on the PSTN side of things and costs will be reduced dramatically.

P2P comms.
These networks are not providing P2P comms, for this you can use Skype. But it must be Skype to Skype, if you use Skype to call an Mweb or FNB number Skype will charge you, and quite a bit as they too will most likely use Telkom as the transit carrier to reach the MWeb, FNB network. P2P comms have no set routes or dedicated networks, there is no quality control, it is a random hit and miss if your call quality will be acceptable or not.

George

 

[Roman4604]

The result is it will make no sense for them to have a direct interconnect to FNB as it is too costly to manage for such a small amount of traffic/minutes.

Actually costs very little with VoIP, the major SPs are all IP interconnected at the INXs, so its just some additional config on their respective soft switches & session border controllers.

It would make absolutely no sense for them to incur the expense of transiting the voice traffic through Telkom (TDM).

 

[Logo]

If you understand the inner workings of voip, you should have picked up that there was actaully a hidden message in my original question. "Why are they charging for an internet call" In a later post i said that i found the reason why they are charging, because they are routing the conversation through their servers, which actually defeats the purpose of P2P comms. We as users are being ripped off. To explain this concept to you would most probably take 10000 years and not 10000 hours. We found so many problems with your "bona-fide" carrier, thus the reason we designed our own software.

It's people like us that make it possible for people like you to have the freedom of choice. I am sorry that i posted the thread here, should have directed it to the software thread. I am out of here, it feels like i am talking to a wall.

No enterprise grade VOIP service out there is direct P2P SIP communication. They all go through their respective servers whatever it is that they are using.

Do you want a DID number accessible from Telkom analogue lines ? Who registers the DID number. In a business model, where it is direct P2P where exactly will the break out points be, who decides on the interconnect fees, how do they recharge if it is a direct P2P. What about security ? Who controls connection of new services, disconnection of old services or suspension due to non-payment. Who registers your phone on the network. Who manages your phone configuration so that it has the correct network details and SIP connections. All this costs money and then add on top of that the hardware costs, the infrastructure costs, the redundant infrastructure costs, the cost of physical of DCs. The salaries that you need to pay.

Both FNB and Mweb provide enterprise grade VoIP services not a simple P2P network that is open for sabotage with the frailest of security.

And before you do mention Skype. They don't use SIP. They charge for all off network calls, they charge for a DID number etc.