How fixed is a work contract probation period?

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Hi all,

I just had the worst afternoon of my life. After working for 3.5 months at a great company and really giving my best, my two bosses pull me in at 4:45PM and tell me that they are firing me :mad: Apparently I don't fit their ideal candidate etc etc etc etc... My big question is that my contract states that I have a 6 month probation period and mentions nothing about the probation period being shortened due to being an unsuitable employee, only that the probation period can be extended if necessary. AND they are only going to pay me up till mid October. Surely if they were to go against the contract they would have to pay me for the full remainder of the probation period i.e. end of December?

Just when I was settling down in the job and loving Cape Town too....... :crying:
 

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GENERAL
Probation is for newly appointed employees only. The purpose of
probation is to establish whether or not the appointee’s performance
is of an acceptable standard before permanently employing the
employee.
Probation periods should be reasonable. This will depend on the
nature of the job, which in turn will determine how long it will take to
establish whether the employee is performing satisfactorily or not.
As a general guideline, the more complex the nature of the job, the
longer the probation period e.g. only a month may be needed to
evaluate the performance of a cleaner, but four months may be
appropriate for an accountant.
Probation periods may be extended, within reason, where the
employer is not convinced that the employee is performing to the
required standard.
It is advisable that the probationary period be stated in writing (e.g.
as part of the employment contract or letter of appointment) and that
the company’s expectations during the probationary period be
communicated clearly and are understood by the employee. Should
the probation be extended, it should once again be done in writing.
PROBATION AND DISMISSAL ON GROUNDS OTHER THAN
PERFORMANCE
Should it become necessary to dismiss an employee during the
probation period for a reason other than poor performance, the
normal procedural and substantive requirements are valid and need
to be applied. Examples of such dismissals would include
misconduct, incapacity due to ill health / injury or retrenchment.
Therefore, should an employee on probation be accused of theft, a
disciplinary hearing should be held. Where retrenchment has
become necessary, a consultation process should be followed prior
to the retrenchment.
The reason why probation does not have an impact on poor
performance dismissals is due to the fact that probation is aimed at
sorting out performance issues before a person is permanently
employed.
DISMISSAL FOR POOR PERFORMANCE DURING PROBATION
An employer should give an employee on probation, evaluation,
instruction, training, guidance or counselling as required by him/her
in order to render satisfactory work.
Schedule 8 of the Code of Good Practice: Dismissal, deals with
probation. An employer has the right to require a newly hired
employee to serve a period of probation before confirmation of the
employee’s appointment, which period should be determined in
advance and should be of a reasonable duration.
During the probation, performance of the employee should be
assessed. If the employee fails to meet the required standards or is
incompatible, the employee should be advised of these
shortcomings.
PROCEDURE
The employer should give an employee evaluation, instruction,
training, guidance or counselling as required for the employee to
render satisfactory work.
This means that the employer should evaluate an employee during
the probationary period and should provide regular feedback.
An employer may dismiss an employee or extend the probationary
period after the employee is invited to make representations
Only after considering those representations may the employee be
dismissed or the probation period be extended.
There must be procedural fairness in dealing with this dismissal
There must also be substantive fairness – in that there must be fair
reasons as to why the employee is dismissed or the period
extended.
It is not necessary to hold a formal enquiry
The rules of natural justice will apply (e.g. when making
representations the employee may be assisted by a fellow
employee)
It should be noted though that the employer does not require to
have as compelling reasons for the dismissal as would be the case
with an employee who is not on probation (i.e. with employees who
are permanently employed)
The Code of Good Practice for Poor Performance: Incapacity, does
not apply to probationary employees.
A probationary employee cannot be dismissed for reasons that are
automatically unfair e.g. participation in a lawful strike. A
probationary clause cannot be relied upon for dismissing a
probationary employee on operational requirements.
RELEVANT LEGISLATION
Labour Relations Act, Schedule 8: Code of Good Practice
 

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Thanks abzo. Well from Stellenbosch to Cape Town. Science jobs are rarer than hens teeth and I have no idea when one will pop up again :(
 

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They can terminate the contract at any time inside the probation period.
 

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They can terminate the contract at any time inside the probation period.

Only within reason... and they have to give the employee an opportunity to rectify the issue first.
 

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Only within reason... and they have to give the employee an opportunity to rectify the issue first.

Deciding you don't fit like they did with the OP is within reason during probation. It makes it easier for either party to exit the contract without complications.
 

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Deciding you don't fit like they did with the OP is within reason during probation. It makes it easier for either party to exit the contract without complications.

I actually think you might find "you don't fit in" is not a valid reason for terminating a contract during Probation, if the employee is meeting the performance metrics set out.
 

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I actually think you might find "you don't fit in" is not a valid reason for terminating a contract during Probation, if the employee is meeting the performance metrics set out.

What he said. You can't just get rid of people if you don't particularly like their faces.

Labour Relations Act, 1995
Schedule 8: Code of Good Practice: Dismissal
8. Probation




1)

a) An employer may require a newly-hired employee to serve a period of probation before the appointment of the employee is confirmed.

b) The purpose of probation is to give the employer an opportunity to evaluate the employee's performance before confirming the appointment.

c) Probation should not be used for purposes not contemplated by this Code to deprive employees of the status of permanent employment. For example, a practice of dismissing employees who complete their probation periods and replacing them with newly-hired employees, is not consistent with the purpose of probation and constitutes an unfair labour practice.

d) The period of probation should be determined in advance and be of reasonable duration. The length of the probationary period should be determined with reference to the nature of the job and the time it takes to determine the employee's suitability for continued employment.

e) During the probationary period, the employee's performance should be assessed. An employer should give an employee reasonable evaluation, instruction, training, guidance or counselling in order to allow the employee to render a satisfactory service.

f) If the employer determines that the employee's performance is below standard, the employer should advise the employee of any aspects in which the employer considers the employee to be failing to meet the required performance standards. If the employer believes that the employee is incompetent, the employer should advise the employee of the respects in which the employee is not competent. The employer may either extend the probationary period or dismiss the employee after complying with subitems (g) or (h), as the case may be.

g) The period of probation may only be extended for a reason that relates to the purpose of probation. The period of extension should not be disproportionate to the legitimate purpose that the employer seeks to achieve.

h) An employer may only decide to dismiss an employee or extend the probationary period after the employer has invited the employee to make representations and has considered any representations made. A trade union representative or fellow employee may make the representations on behalf of the employee.

i) If the employer decides to dismiss the employee or to extend the probationary period, the employer should advise the employee of his or her rights to refer the matter to a council having jurisdiction, or to the Commission.

j) Any person making a decision about the fairness of a dismissal of an employee for poor work performance during or on expiry of the probationary period ought to accept reasons for dismissal that may be less compelling than would be the case in dismissals effected after the completion of the probationary period.
 
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What he said. You can't just get rid of people if you don't particularly like their faces.

Yip they were silly in using that excuse as a reason.
Most employers dismiss for that reason but hide it behind performance.
You can fight it, but in the end is it worth it.
 

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I thought they were supposed to allow you an opportunity to redeem yourself after being informed. I.e provide you with training etc and see if you're still unsatisfactory.
 

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They'll pretty much have to dismiss you like a normal employee, even during the probation period. That means notice, paying out your leave, etc.

They can terminate the contract at any time inside the probation period.
Thankfully we now have laws that prevent employers from doing whatever the hell they please.
 

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I thought they were supposed to allow you an opportunity to redeem yourself after being informed. I.e provide you with training etc and see if you're still unsatisfactory.

In Your Probation Period you should get regular feedback on how your performnce is going.

The redemption only comes into play once the probation period is finished
 

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Usually in the contract it says for the probation period either party can cancel with 1 days notice.

If you do feel it is for discriminating against you either because of your race, sex, age etc and not performance and then you can take them to the CCMA.

BTW. What was the job for?
 

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They'll pretty much have to dismiss you like a normal employee, even during the probation period. That means notice, paying out your leave, etc.


Thankfully we now have laws that prevent employers from doing whatever the hell they please.

We always had laws on how Employees should be treated it is just that Employers decide the best way to use them.
 

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Usually in the contract it says for the probation period either party can cancel with 1 days notice.

If you do feel it is for discriminating against you either because of your race, sex, age etc and not performance and then you can take them to the CCMA.

BTW. What was the job for?

One week notice
The employer may pay them out for that Period if they so wish
The only time its 24 hours is if it is for Serious Offences, which in this case it isnt.
 

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They can terminate the contract at any time inside the probation period.

+1

Also you can leave with one days notice. Thats the point of the probation period.. so that if they realise its a mistake they can just turf you.

Sucks... really sorry to hear.
 

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+1

Also you can leave with one days notice. Thats the point of the probation period.. so that if they realise its a mistake they can just turf you.

Sucks... really sorry to hear.

Just to reiterate what was posted above, they cannot legally just toss you even if you're in a probationary period.
 

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Fck dude, thats BS. Give me a shout if you need to vent over a beer!

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Hi all,

I just had the worst afternoon of my life. After working for 3.5 months at a great company and really giving my best, my two bosses pull me in at 4:45PM and tell me that they are firing me :mad: Apparently I don't fit their ideal candidate etc etc etc etc... My big question is that my contract states that I have a 6 month probation period and mentions nothing about the probation period being shortened due to being an unsuitable employee, only that the probation period can be extended if necessary. AND they are only going to pay me up till mid October. Surely if they were to go against the contract they would have to pay me for the full remainder of the probation period i.e. end of December?

Just when I was settling down in the job and loving Cape Town too....... :crying:
 

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Just to reiterate what was posted above, they cannot legally just toss you even if you're in a probationary period.

They can toss you out for the flimsiest of reasons during probation. And I think not being the right fit as in the company culture or so is enough reason.
 
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