How Microsoft made Windows 11 faster than Windows 10

[ToxicBunny]

If it can then why not? This arbitrary restrictions because M$ can't do proper quality control is a joke.


RAM is there to be used.

Umm I would hardly call it an arbitrary restriction...

They have determined processors below a certain type don't support the required feature set properly so the OS won't run. This is not unusual for a new OS at all.

 

[Fulcrum29]

The most important games are still pre-DX10.....

Devs/pubs who care has ported to Vulkan. Well DXVK wrapping.

 

[CapoPlays]

 

[rambo919]

Umm I would hardly call it an arbitrary restriction...

They have determined processors below a certain type don't support the required feature set properly so the OS won't run. This is not unusual for a new OS at all.

What is unusual is that so few CPU's are supported.

 

[ToxicBunny]

What is unusual is that so few CPU's are supported.

Few?

From Intel and AMD there are 763 supported processors.

 

[rambo919]

Few?

From Intel and AMD there are 763 supported processors.

Think of it in terms of ranges or generations.

If they dropped everything pre the i brand I could understand.... but they drop almost all chips from the first i's to gen 7..... 7 friggin generations of still perfectly serviceable chips.

The oldest chip range they supported only came out in 2017 ffs.... that's almost yesterday

 

[ToxicBunny]

Think of it in terms of ranges or generations.

If they dropped everything pre the i brand I could understand.... but they drop almost all chips from the first i's to gen 7..... 7 friggin generations of still perfectly serviceable chips.

The oldest chip range they supported only came out in 2017 ffs.... that's almost yesterday

You are aware that that is the "officially" supported list, and the limitation actually isn't in Windows itself but more in Windows Update and its "compatibility check". Windows 11 will run, but it won't necessarily be a nice or stable experience.

What would you rather have, W11 install on a vast range of processors and have a potentially crap experience, or limit the range so you can try and guarantee a decent and stable experience?

 

[Sapphiron]

One has to just watch some Youtube videos, like Linus tech tips etc, to see that gaming performance is actually worse on 11 than 10.

It was the same with early version of windows 10.

It ended up that poor initial Nvidia drivers were one of the culprits.

 

[Sapphiron]

Lol yet it doesn't work on all processors. Go suck a tailpipe M$.

not supported is not the same as not working.

 

[rambo919]

You are aware that that is the "officially" supported list, and the limitation actually isn't in Windows itself but more in Windows Update and its "compatibility check". Windows 11 will run, but it won't necessarily be a nice or stable experience.

Effectively blocking the chips for most people or leaving them in a perpetually unpatched state because they won't know any better.

What would you rather have, W11 install on a vast range of processors and have a potentially crap experience, or limit the range so you can try and guarantee a decent and stable experience?

That is an iCrap move.... to force people to upgrade a long time before they really need to. It's expensive and wasteful. If their shiny new OS needs to lean on expensive hardware it probably isn't as great as advertised.

If the OS keeps getting slower it's the fault of the OS.... not the hardware.

But they can get away with it because they have a captive market where the OEM's and software vendors almost exclusively to cater to M$.

 

[rambo919]

It was the same with early version of windows 10.

It ended up that poor initial Nvidia drivers were one of the culprits.

As torvolds said, f-k you nvidia.

Nvidia and buggy drivers is the same song on repeat.... they are simply too widely spread out to do them properly all the time for all systems.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Effectively blocking the chips for most people or leaving them in a perpetually unpatched state because they won't know any better.


That is an iCrap move.... to force people to upgrade a long time before they really need to. It's expensive and wasteful. If their shiny new OS needs to lean on expensive hardware it probably isn't as great as advertised.

If the OS keeps getting slower it's the fault of the OS.... not the hardware.

But they can get away with it because they have a captive market where the OEM's and software vendors almost exclusively to cater to M$.

The mind boggles at your logic here.

So MS are the bad guy here because their new shiny OS that has all sort of new features and bells and whistle and security support must hamper that to support older processors so you can upgrade to run it (which would serve no purpose as it would be largely the same as the version you were running, barring some graphical changes to the interface really)

If you CPU doesn't support it, then don't upgrade. Nobody is forcing a person to do so.

 

[rambo919]

The mind boggles at your logic here.

So MS are the bad guy here because their new shiny OS that has all sort of new features and bells and whistle and security support must hamper that to support older processors so you can upgrade to run it (which would serve no purpose as it would be largely the same as the version you were running, barring some graphical changes to the interface really)

Then just don't enable the fancy new bells and whistles only a handful of people actually care about?

If security support is dependent on hardware.... it's pretty crappy security.

If you CPU doesn't support it, then don't upgrade. Nobody is forcing a person to do so.

And then when win10 support ends: If you do not upgrade you will be at risk from boogieman X warns Microsoft

 

[Sapphiron]

The mind boggles at your logic here.

So MS are the bad guy here because their new shiny OS that has all sort of new features and bells and whistle and security support must hamper that to support older processors so you can upgrade to run it (which would serve no purpose as it would be largely the same as the version you were running, barring some graphical changes to the interface really)

If you CPU doesn't support it, then don't upgrade. Nobody is forcing a person to do so.

Correct!

they will support windows 10 for 5 more years, so by that time you will likely have compatible hardware, or are probably better served by moving to a lighter OS.

I do think however that they could have supported an extra generation. i.e. Skylake and newer on Intel and Ryzen 1000 series. That is where a lot of people bought as that was the first time in many years, that something faster was actually available.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Then just don't enable the fancy new bells and whistles only a handful of people actually care about?

If security support is dependent on hardware.... it's pretty crappy security.


And then when win10 support ends: If you do not upgrade you will be at risk from boogieman X warns Microsoft

So the new bells and whistles that would make Win11 faster, smaller, more updateable or any number of other very useful things are only for a handful of people?
Seriously? Its crappy security if it relies on some hardware features to enable? Are you seriously going to claim something like that with a straight face?

So? Win 10 support ends in 2025. That is more than enough time to upgrade your 4 year old PC to be up to scratch.

 

[semaphore]

If security support is dependent on hardware.... it's pretty crappy security.

Perhaps you need to go tell the engineers at MS they're clueless gits and that you know better.

 

[rambo919]

So the new bells and whistles that would make Win11 faster, smaller,

Only in niche circumstances, for performance from what I have seen most people will probably actually have to disable these new features. It sounds very impressive but having things in perpetual sleep cause WAY too many problems in many use cases.

more updateable

This is a software problem not a hardware one

or any number of other very useful things are only for a handful of people?

other than potentially the context menu tweak.... I see literally nothing in win11 that makes me want it.

Seriously? Its crappy security if it relies on some hardware features to enable? Are you seriously going to claim something like that with a straight face?

Yes, hardware dependent security is not only more expensive than it should be it is also obsolete almost as soon as it becomes widely adopted. There is nothing hardware can do security wise that software cannot do better,

So? Win 10 support ends in 2025. That is more than enough time to upgrade your 4 year old PC to be up to scratch.

That is less than 4 years.... an eternity in internet time but the blink of an eye in hardware time.

But of course you argue from the privileged position of the higher income earner that pays 45% marginal tax.... you are divorced from the reality on the ground that most people actually face where fully upgrading a whole PC is something you need to save for for half a decade.... IF you can actually afford it.

If a whole office of 5-20 PC's is still running hardware not capable of supporting the bloated new shiny essentially mandatory OS..... and the business basically only makes say a R40k profit per year after expenses..... who is going to pay to have all that hardware replaced? You?

Perhaps you should start thinkng beyond your own cushy privileged position.

 

[rambo919]

Correct!

they will support windows 10 for 5 more years, so by that time you will likely have compatible hardware, or are probably better served by moving to a lighter OS.

I do think however that they could have supported an extra generation. i.e. Skylake and newer on Intel and Ryzen 1000 series. That is where a lot of people bought as that was the first time in many years, that something faster was actually available.

That is an assumption not based on reality for most people. I have to maintain all the old hardware still running for many people.... there is a LOT more fully functioning "incompatible" PC's still in service than you seem to think.

 

[AzurePortalCoZa]

.. waiting for new DDR5-supporting CPUs and mobos

 

[rambo919]

Taking one office in particular, 5 PC's.... only ONE is win11 compatible and only one of the other 4 will probably be replaced by 2025.