How much can you ask for a website?

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I'm in the process of educating myself in WordPress. I want to start my own business where I do freelance web development. My question is just how much can you exactly ask for a website? Nothing too massive just a website for small to medium business.

I'm also interested if google ads can be used to get your webshop business, how much is google ads and is it worth it?
 
I'm in the process of educating myself in WordPress. I want to start my own business where I do freelance web development. My question is just how much can you exactly ask for a website? Nothing too massive just a website for small to medium business.

I'm also interested if google ads can be used to get your webshop business, how much is google ads and is it worth it?

If your service is great up to R500 more than the next cheaper guy with worse service.

Creating wordpress sites is a dime a dozen. Where you're gonna burn time and money is on comebacks, and quickly move this image 5 pixels to the left. Or, I gave my login details to my cousin and now my site is showing a ransomware logo, why did you let my site get hacked. Or, I accidentally nuked my whole site, why didn't you back it up to 5 seconds before I nuked it.

People are the worst. Especially, paying small businesses - they expect the world for the R500 they spent. Medium business prefer to do business with medium businesses.

Google ads is only worth as much as the keywords you bid on. So be selective and don't spray and pray with your choices.
 
R10m if you go by the ANC. Be sure to get that tender.
 
It depends.

Who you know, where you are, how many clients you have lined up.

As with all things in business, it's about supply and demand.

I could get 15 wordpress developers to agree to build me a site, tomorrow.

So, before you start thinking about 10k sites, think about what you bring to the table. Do you have a process, do you have a concrete schedule, do you have a contract that's not written on a napkin, do you know someone who can make graphics / logos or custom integrations.

How's your network, and can you pull in other work when wordpress site building is slow or you haven't had a new client for weeks.

And then, after all of that, can you handle clients and manage expectations. Clients want (so much) more than what they put down.

If you have all these things lined up, and you have a portfolio of work, then you are ready to Start.

Pro tip: Build demos or sites for the type of work you want. Clients don't look at a blog and go "yeah, this guy can make ecommerce sites" They only understand their immediate goals, and will only part with money (or pick you) if the shoe fits. Would you take a Chicken Burger, if you payed for a T-Bone Steak.
 
I'm in the process of educating myself in WordPress. I want to start my own business where I do freelance web development. My question is just how much can you exactly ask for a website? Nothing too massive just a website for small to medium business.

I'm also interested if google ads can be used to get your webshop business, how much is google ads and is it worth it?

Pricing is an extremely interesting topic and no one's figured it out completely. But as you get more experienced you'll learn patterns regarding what works well and what doesn't. That's the whole point with running a business.

Based on what I've been doing over the last few years -

When you just get into development, calculate the development of the website at ±R300 /hr (which is still far undercharging).

Based on your experience and the scope, you can estimate the time you think it's gonna take you.

Eg,
Client wants a One Page Landing page for his french restaurant.
He didn't mention a specific budget, but asks you to keep the costs to a minimum.
He doesn't have a design from a designer, but sent you some examples what he has in mind.
He wants to be able to make small changes himself, perhaps copywriting etc, so you suggest WordPress as opposed to a static site built with Gatsby or Jekyll.

Your approach:
Usually you will develop the WordPress template from scratch using something like Underscores.

But since the clients assumable budget doesn't allow for a 100% custom development of a template, you will buy a premium theme for $40 and customise it with a child theme to meet his branding requirements.

So taking all that into account, your estimation is 20 hours development including deploying it on his VPS.

But then you have to remember, 99% of the time clients will ask you to change stuff or add things mid-development. To combat this, we multiply an extra [x 1.3] on top of the anticipated development hours.

So essentially you will be quoting for ~26 hours.

You may ask, why buy a $40 for your client template if I'm a developer?

If your client's got a (much) bigger budget, you probably can code it yourself from scratch, but essentially you're trying to lower his budget by reducing your development time. A custom developed wordpress site (no template) is rarely under 60 hours)

Since he will probably not be getting too much traffic, you can get him on a premium shared hosting cpanel vibe, however for serious website - always go for a VPS Friends don't let friends use shared hosting.

As your portfolio increases, increase your rates. Try doubling your hourly rate after x amount of months.

You will find that clients who pay more are higher quality customers.

The primary reason is that clients who are willing to spend more in their project, are of higher quality.
They are more invested in their project, more interested in working with you and learning about what they are getting into. Higher pricing also allows you as a developer to spend more time perfecting a specific clients website, knowing that you won't lose out on revenue, as opposed to try doing 4 websites in a week for much less.

Additionally I find lower quality customers to lose interest over time, communicate badly and then expect the world - 99% of the time you will lose more. As you gain more experience, you will learn how to handle this, when to accept projects and when to decline when you think there's red flags.
 
Pricing is an extremely interesting topic and no one's figured it out completely. But as you get more experienced you'll learn patterns regarding what works well and what doesn't. That's the whole point with running a business.

Based on what I've been doing over the last few years -

When you just get into development, calculate the development of the website at ±R300 /hr (which is still far undercharging).

Based on your experience and the scope, you can estimate the time you think it's gonna take you.

Eg,
Client wants a One Page Landing page for his french restaurant.
He didn't mention a specific budget, but asks you to keep the costs to a minimum.
He doesn't have a design from a designer, but sent you some examples what he has in mind.
He wants to be able to make small changes himself, perhaps copywriting etc, so you suggest WordPress as opposed to a static site built with Gatsby or Jekyll.

Your approach:
Usually you will develop the WordPress template from scratch using something like Underscores.

But since the clients assumable budget doesn't allow for a 100% custom development of a template, you will buy a premium theme for $40 and customise it with a child theme to meet his branding requirements.

So taking all that into account, your estimation is 20 hours development including deploying it on his VPS.

But then you have to remember, 99% of the time clients will ask you to change stuff or add things mid-development. To combat this, we multiply an extra [x 1.3] on top of the anticipated development hours.

So essentially you will be quoting for ~26 hours.

You may ask, why buy a $40 for your client template if I'm a developer?

If your client's got a (much) bigger budget, you probably can code it yourself from scratch, but essentially you're trying to lower his budget by reducing your development time. A custom developed wordpress site (no template) is rarely under 60 hours)

Since he will probably not be getting too much traffic, you can get him on a premium shared hosting cpanel vibe, however for serious website - always go for a VPS Friends don't let friends use shared hosting.

As your portfolio increases, increase your rates. Try doubling your hourly rate after x amount of months.

You will find that clients who pay more are higher quality customers.

The primary reason is that clients who are willing to spend more in their project, are of higher quality.
They are more invested in their project, more interested in working with you and learning about what they are getting into. Higher pricing also allows you as a developer to spend more time perfecting a specific clients website, knowing that you won't lose out on revenue, as opposed to try doing 4 websites in a week for much less.

Additionally I find lower quality customers to lose interest over time, communicate badly and then expect the world - 99% of the time you will lose more. As you gain more experience, you will learn how to handle this, when to accept projects and when to decline when you think there's red flags.
This is good advise, also don't limit yourself to WordPress, eventually if you want to play with the big boys, you will see WordPress isn't the preferred choice.
 
This is good advise, also don't limit yourself to WordPress, eventually if you want to play with the big boys, you will see WordPress isn't the preferred choice.

This very forum uses wordpress.
 
I don't use that part because that's where most of the click-bait rubbish resides. Forum only for me

Okay but that's not the point. It's still one of the biggest websites in the country and it uses Wordpress.
 
"enterprise level" - what does that even mean?

I am pretty certain that this site gets magnitudes more traffic/users/content than 99% of "enterprise sites".

There are obviously other viable platforms available, but to use terms "better" or "worse".....
 
Do you guys think it is prudent to not start work until the full payment has been made? Is that feasible?
 
Do you guys think it is prudent to not start work until the full payment has been made? Is that feasible?

Surprisingly international clients don't mind paying up front in full, but ZA clients, I generally do 50% followed by milestones.

Actually, I tend to trust international clients more than ZA clients too. Often I work without up front payments - never had payment issues.
 
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