IT is not as strict as other professions. CAs, PR Engs, Doctors, Lawyers must have degrees and other post graduate stuff to make a killing. I wish I did Accounting at school. These guys are making it with just 5 years experience. Though some of the jobs seem boring or routine.
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Well I'm 22, I've been told I'm pushing my luck plus now my company handed me an ultimatum, sign today or gtfo.
I've gone to 3 interviews within 1& a half week and I did ok (not clueless but not brilliant) but they seem 2 take their time to reply whether they want you or not
I've gone to 3 interviews within 1& a half week and I did ok (not clueless but not brilliant) but they seem 2 take their time to reply whether they want you or not
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I had to work my ass off when I started working (for very little pay)
Granted that's 90% of the time but what I wanted to point out is that people with (or doing) postgrad degrees in CT can ask without a prob for 20k (or a lot more in some cases) for 0 exp. It does depend on what you've studied of course as the different degrees have different 'market related' compensations. Amazon EC2 is a great example where you can clear 30k p/m with a postgrad degree and no experience.
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Nothing to do with having a degree or not (even though it does help). To do with the "failed projects" he mentioned AND the 2 years experience with a dash of a *realistic* point of view from people currently looking to employ programmers. During the last decade or so I've seen several companies rather hire on the lower-end of the spectrum because it was cheaper than fork out the money for a great programmer. He's better off sticking around for a couple of more years before moving on and getting a higher salary.
Sure he could do it now, but with his experience it's going to be a tough cookie to crack and if he job-hops he'll be even less likely to get recruiters or employers to look at him seriously down the line.
To me, if you're young, with little to no experience, anything approaching 10k salary is great.... and he's got it good, since that's what he NETS... if you look at his gross he is already earning enough for a 2yr old programmer
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TBH. You're 22. You're doing pretty well IMO. I'd sign. But I'd really love an update down the line if you do decide to quit and "go to greener pastures"... just to see what you'll get. I know a few guys like you. They saw what the earning potential is and then 2 years down the line "me want!!!" and go all out to get it. Only to fall flat on their back and settle for something *less* than they had just because they realized the world didn't work that way (or owed them anything)
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Just an FYI to anyone reading this thinking of changing jobs. If you're dissatisfied with your work environment and you're receiving unnecessary abuse from your employer (verbal or otherwise). I'd consider a different job with the same salary expectation.
If you're just doing it for the money, rather take a step back and think of what this might do for your career if you get out now and go into an environment you don't like at all.
If you're just doing it for the money, rather take a step back and think of what this might do for your career if you get out now and go into an environment you don't like at all.
I'm staying with my company, did have a few companies interested (after I went for assessments/tests) but they took too long to get back so I had to commit at my current work place in order to focus fully there.
As for looking for new jobs, one thing I learned is that companies might take a while to get back to you - maybe that's because I'm a junior, my CV would look much better if it included web technologies (asp/php) so seniors might be more eagerly sought after.
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I'm glad. To me you made the right decision. My dad told me to stick it out (my first job) since I hated my environment and the way I was treated. So after I paid my dues I quit and was hired almost immediately afterwards (I quit without any type of job prospects. I just HAD to get out. Give you an example, my notice period was 3 months and they had me working phones instead of using what they hired me for)
Haven't looked back since. The shortest period I've ever worked for an employer was 6 months, and that was to leave and go work in Dubai.
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True but IT cares more you have a degree than what your major was. I've worked with a guy that did a Phd in Physics and he was our senior developer, also another did his BSc in Applied Maths, and another did his Masters in Cryptography.
But I would rather have a degree than not have one.
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Sadly your wrong here, unemployment amongst graduates is the lowest and its more to do with their attitude towards the prospective job than limited opportunities. And this applies not only to Degrees but any Trade Certificate.
Your young and do it - I'm surprised at how much I'm learning each semester and thats even for subjects that I've got years experience in (management).
Then again I look at my older brother and my father who have struggled in the past to earn a descent wage as neither of them had matric yet both of them have always been extremely technical and excellent at their jobs. If they both had degrees then their lives would have been so much better.
In the UK its now almost impossible to get job as a developer/programmer without a degree. You would have to prove an exceptional track record. Your cv will be cut from the pile in the first phase of the recruitment decisions. Developer/programmer jobs that don't require a uni degree probably don't pay more than £25k per year as opposed to £35k to £50k, depending on the job.
Incidentally, for someone with a visa, it probably won't get renewed if you earn less than £35k in the preceding 12 months when you apply, unless you are under 25, in which case you get by with £30k
By diploma do you mean a standard 3 year diploma?