How was HIV created?

Morgoth the reason it is prominent in in africa is because africa is a poor continent with very little education, condoms are something that do get used alot. I do alot of promo work for mines in this country and most of it is aids logo's with some sort of message. They are losing alot of their work force to aids.

Maybe eating the monkeys was not a great idea hey.
 
It mutated from a polio vaccine they tested here in africa cause they couldnt test it in the US because of stringent medical rules.

Read quite a good book on it a while back...
 
arf9999 said:
"Evolve". DJK. "Evolve". You'll have every tinfoil-hatted, creationist, redneck conspiracy theorist in the world on this thread.

Jeez, a little thought before you type.
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killadoob said:
Maybe so but considering nobody knows you cannot refute them now can you :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/431167.stm

Morgoth ok so you your first says they where screwing but does not explain the origins of the virus and only that they had 4 wifes. Do you think that blacks are only ones who screw everything they see? The question still remains is where did it come from now how many wifes blacks had.

http://www.rense.com/general68/gayex.htm

I am a believer in this theory out of all of them, the Africa theory does not explain how aids exploded world wide, how many people would have come into contact with tribal african from africa? Not nearly enough for the virus to explode.

http://www.thebody.com/content/art306.html

Well this may explain the exploding, doubt in the 40's they could detect the virus.
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*dons tinfoil hat*

It's those damn Americans again :mad:
 
remybfg10k said:
It mutated from a polio vaccine they tested here in africa cause they couldnt test it in the US because of stringent medical rules.

Read quite a good book on it a while back...
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I don't buy that at all. Polio vaccines were introduced in 1952. Why would they work on yet another one? And why would a polio vaccine attack the immune system if polio affects the central nervous system? :confused:
 
Almost every virus on the planet came about naturally so why not HIV?
 
remybfg10k said:
It mutated from a polio vaccine they tested here in africa cause they couldnt test it in the US because of stringent medical rules.

Read quite a good book on it a while back...
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Morgoth said:
I am not sure, aids have spread across the western world as well but, lets be honest it is top in Africa, the theory of how it originated, goes from American scientist to having sex with apes ( LOL) , to poisoning food supply by the colonialists after they moved out, I am not sure.
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Morgoth said:
Theory : it is a viruz distrubuted in central Africa when the world peace gave them free grain, something similar to that meant to target the lifestyle of Africa, you know the 4 wifes, type of thing, not trying to discriminate here.

another theory that it was meant to target homosexual people eventually it spread via the double adapters and its more harmful to Africa because it fits their lifestyle.

Another theory told by Thabo Mbeki is that HIV and AIds have nothing to do with eachother.
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See? I warned you.
arf9999 said:
"Evolve". DJK. "Evolve". You'll have every tinfoil-hatted, creationist, redneck conspiracy theorist in the world on this thread.

Jeez, a little thought before you type.
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DJK said:
I don't buy that at all. Polio vaccines were introduced in 1952. Why would they work on yet another one? And why would a polio vaccine attack the immune system if polio affects the central nervous system? :confused:
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Oral polio vaccine (OPV) AIDS hypothesis

Didn't say i believe it, just a very interesting read ;)
 
what a relief ... for a while I was going to be overwhelmed by all the responses from the ID crowd ..... nice to rather read some light-heartedly and humorous threads ;)
 
Does Aids only kill the immune system and reproduce?
Why does it kill the immune system... does it kill the thing trying to kill it or does eat eat live off it?
I know normal viruses takes over cells and what not but what makes aids able to kill the immune system and not other viruses and what nots?

if* aids is using human cells to reproduce then human dna is being altered to grow the virus but in a sense the virus is part human dna then to know how the body works?

So if aids win by reproducing faster than the body kills it how come the body can not reproduce so fast if it uses the same building materials and cells.

or the body can't recognize the virus but only that some thing is not as it should be "mass antibody production and this is causing the body to weaken to over production?

or the body is fighting them but can't even dent them :D?

I think Aids came from mid Africa because humans reproduce faster there thus giving dna cock up better chance, viruses that are harmless in the body and bacteria are always in the body, so they can basically observe the body how it works and once they invade a cell dna they have full access to how the body works.

So we just have a very smart viruses on our hands the thing is it acts more like a parasite from what I understand because it does not actually kill the host but is the cause of the weakening

maybe instead of trying to make a cure to kill it they and use its natural ability to evolve fast against it by "selective manipulation(in plants breeding)" They can guide it to evolve into some thing harmless again? Viruses evolve so why can't it become some thing harmless?

Maybe it only "attacks" the immune system in self defense so maybe if our bodies stop attacking it, it would evolve into some thing harmless.

or if our body is producing on such a mass scale its killing it self because white blood cells are protein based and can only be used once or what"?" if the 1 liners then surely they attack the unknown object to no avail and thus killing them selfs?

Doesn't aids "hide" as a white blood cell?
 
alf101 said:
Wouter Basson apparently made it...
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LMAO! :D

Alan said:
Almost every virus on the planet came about naturally so why not HIV?
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+1.

I reckon HIV has always been around, but only a few years back have been been able to identify it. In the early years, people still died, but the cause was usually found to be a bad cold, or some rather common ailment that just didn't get better. Today we know why a bad cold could kill you. :eek: :o
 
Slootvreter said:
I reckon HIV has always been around, but only a few years back have been been able to identify it. In the early years, people still died, but the cause was usually found to be a bad cold, or some rather common ailment that just didn't get better. Today we know why a bad cold could kill you. :eek: :o
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Although this sounds logically plausible on the face of it, the virus and it's subsequent symptoms are distinctly recognisable and even though we couldn't see the virus, we would surely have given a name to this strange disease/virus that results in certain symptoms before someone dies prematurely?
 
Magnarmalok said:
Does Aids only kill the immune system and reproduce?
Why does it kill the immune system... does it kill the thing trying to kill it or does eat eat live off it?
I know normal viruses takes over cells and what not but what makes aids able to kill the immune system and not other viruses and what nots?

if* aids is using human cells to reproduce then human dna is being altered to grow the virus but in a sense the virus is part human dna then to know how the body works?

So if aids win by reproducing faster than the body kills it how come the body can not reproduce so fast if it uses the same building materials and cells.

or the body can't recognize the virus but only that some thing is not as it should be "mass antibody production and this is causing the body to weaken to over production?

or the body is fighting them but can't even dent them :D?

I think Aids came from mid Africa because humans reproduce faster there thus giving dna cock up better chance, viruses that are harmless in the body and bacteria are always in the body, so they can basically observe the body how it works and once they invade a cell dna they have full access to how the body works.

So we just have a very smart viruses on our hands the thing is it acts more like a parasite from what I understand because it does not actually kill the host but is the cause of the weakening

maybe instead of trying to make a cure to kill it they and use its natural ability to evolve fast against it by "selective manipulation(in plants breeding)" They can guide it to evolve into some thing harmless again? Viruses evolve so why can't it become some thing harmless?

Maybe it only "attacks" the immune system in self defense so maybe if our bodies stop attacking it, it would evolve into some thing harmless.

or if our body is producing on such a mass scale its killing it self because white blood cells are protein based and can only be used once or what"?" if the 1 liners then surely they attack the unknown object to no avail and thus killing them selfs?

Doesn't aids "hide" as a white blood cell?
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It attacks the immune system, like any other virus. Your body replicates the cells cos it thinks the cells are your body's cells. It replicates so fast that each copy it makes comes out horribly wrong. That's how it "changes shape". It's evasive by "accident". It's a flaw of the human body. Sometimes it has its benefits. Other times, it's deadly.
Your body fights it off well for about 5 - 10 years, but after that it becomes really tired and worn down of fighting it, so it gives up and that's why and when AIDS really starts showing its true colours.
 
DJK said:
Although this sounds logically plausible on the face of it, the virus and it's subsequent symptoms are distinctly recognisable and even though we couldn't see the virus, we would surely have given a name to this strange disease/virus that results in certain symptoms before someone dies prematurely?
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I didn't say I'm 100% correct here :p Take 1930 for example. I'm positive the HIV virus were around then. We just had no way of knowing it was there, which means that if you don't even know about something, you won't know the symptoms or even methods of detecting it. And given the part of the population primarily affected by HIV, and their living conditions, it won't be surprising that someone could think that 'Jack died of a bad cold that wouldn't go away', or something similiar. But then again, that's only my take on it...:o

EDIT: Perhaps it wasn't so prevalent in the early years either, that hundreds of people died daily?
 
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