How Zille Was Pushed

Stochos said:
This disingenuous act showed to millions of black voters that DA is a party for whites run by rich (anonymous) white donors.
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Theyre not so anonymous if you seem to have their skin color down. lol.
 
Stochos said:
Lol! Blind love! They think she was perfect.
They ignore black opinion at their peril. The trust deficit problem amongst black voters is huge.

The DA fan boys think themselves as 'liberal' yet don't genuinely socialise with people from other races. Their views are reinforced by the opinions they share with each other in their white-only echo chamber; confirmation bias writ large. Blacks who meet these fan boys will tell them what they want to hear like Maimane who black voters think is a puppet.

Most blacks think that Zille is racist and had a fetish for token gestures and that the DA itself is a racist party with hidden agendas controlled by whites. In short they cannot be trusted. This capped the DA's vote share.

The DA needs to reform and transform. Zille-like token gestures just won't do it anymore.

The DA needs to speak the language of anti-colonisation and anti-racism; it should support the removal of hateful statures like Rhodes, Dick King and other racists.

At the same time be the leading party promoting free-markets and meritocracy and clean government. Without earning the trust of blacks it cannot achieve this.

It should lead in transparency and disclose the identity of its mysterious Svengali donors who attended this high level meeting. Are they representatives of big business, foreign governments?

This will build trust amongst sceptical black voters. It should also distance itself from free-masonry which is also akin to colonialism and entrenches back-room dealing.

If not after 2019 elections; the DA fan boys will again be naively blaming the electorate and wondering why it lost the status of being the official opposition.
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If the electorate carry on voting in the same people who keep them poor, who are we to say so. All the DA can do is point at the election results and show that in areas where they govern, the country runs better.

Besides, the thing that I don't get is the fact that coloureds were just as oppressed as blacks during apartheid and colonialism , yet they still manage to vote for the DA.
 
konfab said:
All the DA can do is point at the election results and show that in areas where they govern, the country runs better.
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Matter of opinion. I have a friend who lives in a poor coloured neighbourhood in Cape Town. Same ****hole as when the ANC ran things if not worse. And I'm not only talking about the crime problem.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Not really. The Auditor General's reports aren't opinion.
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Yes. Auditor general's opinion shows how crap a neighbourhood is and the lack of service delivery in those neighbourhoods. Good point.

I know of many a government department with clean audit reports, where things are rotten as 30 day old sewerage.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Not only about clean audits, though.

Look at basically all measurements of governance and they're better.

http://africacheck.org/reports/is-t...y-a-good-story-to-tell-we-examine-the-claims/
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Have you visited any of the poor areas in Cape Town? Have you ever had a proper chat with someone who lives there to see if they are happy with services from local and provincial government? I have. There is definitely a stark difference in the levels of service those people receive compared to the traditionally affluent areas in Cape Town.

I am not pro or anti DA. I just know from what I have seen, that the DA do govern well. But mostly in the affluent areas. In the poorer areas, they are no better or worse than the previous ruling party in those areas. Things have not improved in the poorer areas by a long shot. Definitely not nearly at the same rate things have "gotten better" in the affluent areas.
 
ambroseg1 said:
Have you visited any of the poor areas in Cape Town? Have you ever had a proper chat with someone who lives there to see if they are happy with services from local and provincial government? I have. There is definitely a stark difference in the levels of service those people receive compared to the traditionally affluent areas in Cape Town.
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That is interesting considering the DA spend the majority of their budget on poorer areas.

What is nice to know is those poor areas are better off than poor areas in other parts of the country. They have access to more electricity, flushing toilets and water than other provinces. The DA have built new hospitals in those poor areas. I saw a school at the Hout Bay squatter camp got pimped, it even got a classroom full of new apple computers. Since 2009 there has being a 25% increase in students from poor areas passing their matric exams.

And something that is important... even though there has being an influx of people migrating to the the Western Cape, unemployment has dropped.

So strange none of this is impacting your friend. I wonder what poor area he is in that does not get serviced.
 
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ambroseg1 said:
Have you visited any of the poor areas in Cape Town? Have you ever had a proper chat with someone who lives there to see if they are happy with services from local and provincial government? I have. There is definitely a stark difference in the levels of service those people receive compared to the traditionally affluent areas in Cape Town.

I am not pro or anti DA. I just know from what I have seen, that the DA do govern well. But mostly in the affluent areas. In the poorer areas, they are no better or worse than the previous ruling party in those areas. Things have not improved in the poorer areas by a long shot. Definitely not nearly at the same rate things have "gotten better" in the affluent areas.
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That makes no sense, really. The affluent areas didn't really need to 'get better' by much, as they're already affluent.

The service delivery statistics in there include the poorer areas. Sanitation, electrification, education, unemployment, etc. all include the poorer areas, and they're doing better than the ANC. Simple, really.
 
ambroseg1 said:
Have you visited any o:whistle:f the poor areas in Cape Town? Have you ever had a proper chat with someone who lives there to see if they are happy with services from local and provincial government? I have. There is definitely a stark difference in the levels of service those people receive compared to the traditionally affluent areas in Cape Town.

I am not pro or anti DA. I just know from what I have seen, that the DA do govern well. But mostly in the affluent areas. In the poorer areas, they are no better or worse than the previous ruling party in those areas. Things have not improved in the poorer areas by a long shot. Definitely not nearly at the same rate things have "gotten better" in the affluent areas.
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You assume I haven't?

Not to go into the specifics, but I spent a good two months talking to poorer high school kids in and around Cape Town. Just about all of them were well aware of the differences that the DA made to their lives. Especially relevant given that I was talking to them in a nice new hospital ward, in a public hospital.

Your argument does not carry much weight given how the DA increased their majority in the Western Cape, unless you are being bigoted about the stupid voters :whistle:
 
Helen Zille has done a tremendous job as DA leader.

Anyone who can't see that probably does not realize the challenges of the South African political landscape. She consolidated the urban coloured vote (which her predeccessor Tony Leon was struggling with) to become the dominant party in the Western Cape. She gained the party its first foothold amongst black voters. 2014 was the first real increase in that regard for the DA since 1994. A modest base, but one for her successor to build upon.

It's hard to make difficult decisions. Zille did not want to make this decision, but made it anyway for the better of the party. As she notes: while now might be too early, the end of 2017 would probably be too late to step down. Faced with those options, she decided on the one that seemed the least bad.

Well done to her and the best of luck continueing to be premier.
 
Malema is celebrating Zilles departure, says the only parties left now are the EFF and the ANC.
 
Stochos said:
<snip>...Mamaine does not pass the credibility test. He is more puppet than leader.
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While all these posts are total crap I tend to agree on this point. I don’t think I would go so far as to characterise him as a puppet, but he has a definite “meh” quality. There are better people than him in the DA.
 
ghoti said:
That is interesting considering the DA spend the majority of their budget on poorer areas.

What is nice to know is those poor areas are better off than poor areas in other parts of the country. They have access to more electricity, flushing toilets and water than other provinces. The DA have built new hospitals in those poor areas. I saw a school at the Hout Bay squatter camp got pimped, it even got a classroom full of new apple computers. Since 2009 there has being a 25% increase in students from poor areas passing their matric exams.

And something that is important... even though there has being an influx of people migrating to the the Western Cape, unemployment has dropped.

So strange none of this is impacting your friend. I wonder what poor area he is in that does not get serviced.
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This is not necessarily a good idea. Those who paid millions for their homes and access to good schools find their rates going straight into the townships. This just encourages more to arrive from other provinces.

Hout Bay is a good example of bad planning by the DA. That door should have been closed decades ago. Crime is off the chart and it is becoming unworkable.
 
Packer said:
While all these posts are total crap I tend to agree on this point. I don’t think I would go so far as to characterise him as a puppet, but he has a definite “meh” quality. There are better people than him in the DA.
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Spoken like someone who has not seen him work.
 
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