Hulk Hogan Dead at 71

Jet-Fighter7700 said:
I get wrestling is theatre, but why is it nobody ever showed what the training is like behind the scenes of WWF?

would kind of break the illusion of it being a actual sport, and why it never took off anywhere else but america.
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Wrestling is massive in Japan and Mexico, each country having their own variations. Japan is noted for 'strong style', where influence from martial arts places emphasis on striking and it often translates into actual striking of an opponent (slaps, punches, chops, kicks). Mexico is where 'lucha libre' is huge, characterised by high-flying, high-risk moves with wrestlers wearing unique masks as a part of their character/persona. Rey Mysterio being a mainstream example of Mexico's lucha libre style of wresling. American/Canadian wrestling is grounded in actual amateur wrestling/grappling, where legit Olympic/Greco-Roman wrestling moves form the basis of their movesets.

There are countless videos out there of training. Wrestlers spend most of their training learning how to take ''bumps'', which basically means they learn how to fall without injuring themselves, or at least minimising the risks of injury.
 
thestaggy said:
Wrestling is massive in Japan.

There are countless videos out there of training. Wrestlers spend most of their training learning how to take ''bumps'', which basically means they learn how to fall without injuring themselves, or at least minimising the risks of injury.
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yes I get sumo wresting, and there is the whole mexican latin america wresting,
but none of it has the budget of WWE, no fireworks and limos with Texas horns and private jets and characters like the undertaker.

all I want to see is where do they learn the skills to pretend to take blows, where do they learn the co ordination to not injure themselves,
essentially I know its all fake, but there was never a big reveal of where they train, what the training looks like, who decides the scripts,

I mean I for one would like the illusion of WWE smashed, almost like this show did to big TV magicians,

Breaking the Magician's Code: Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed - Wikipedia

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Jet-Fighter7700 said:
yes I get sumo wresting, and there is the whole mexican latin america wresting,
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I am not talking about sumo wrestling. That is something completely different. Japan has their own version of what WWE is and after the US market, it is the next biggest market in the world. A lot of big-name American wrestlers - past and present - have been over to Japan, including Hogan. Some have even made their name in Japan before going back to the US.

Jet-Fighter7700 said:
but none of it has the budget of WWE, no fireworks and limos with Texas horns and private jets and characters like the undertaker.
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Uh, they do. Not on the scale of the WWE because aside from being on smalelr budgets, wrestling in Japan takes on a more serious tone, but they have their personas, entrance music, etc.

Jet-Fighter7700 said:
all I want to see is where do they learn the skills to pretend to take blows, where do they learn the co ordination to not injure themselves,
essentially I know its all fake, but there was never a big reveal of where they train, what the training looks like, who decides the scripts,

I mean I for one would like the illusion of WWE smashed, almost like this show did to big TV magicians,

Breaking the Magician's Code: Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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We know exactly where they train - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Performance_Center

Many retired wrestlers and industry veterans run their own independent training schools as well where you could walk off the street and attend if you wanted to.

Training videos are all over Youtube and WWE's own streaming service. Why nobody really watches it is because it is boring. It is repitition after repitition. Most wrestlers will spend their first couple of months just learning how to fall over and over again so it becomes second nature.

Pro wrestling doesn't hide anything. Everybody knows its scripted (the outcome is always known, but the match is often done of the fly). Everybody knows moves are practiced. Everybody knows the wrestlers are subtly communicating with one another in the ring, so they know what the other is going to do. The best wrestlers just make it seem ''real'' and you don't notice this.
 
thestaggy said:
Pro wrestling doesn't hide anything. Everybody knows its scripted (the outcome is always known, but the match is often done of the fly). Everybody knows moves are practiced. Everybody knows the wrestlers are subtly communicating with one another in the ring, so they know what the other is going to do. The best wrestlers just make it seem ''real'' and you don't notice this.
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Interesting, didnt know some of this, thanks for this

always though its some kind of big secret to how its done and why there has never been a big reveal to how it all takes place,

as to me I think the entire thing is theatre and not a particularly good one, but different strokes I guess.

what I never got was why they never brought their own version to SA, I mean a homegrown version, as I know the WWE toured SA a few times.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
Interesting, didnt know some of this, thanks for this

always though its some kind of big secret to how its done and why there has never been a big reveal to how it all takes place,

as to me I think the entire thing is theatre and not a particularly good one, but different strokes I guess.

what I never got was why they never brought their own version to SA, I mean a homegrown version, as I know the WWE toured SA a few times.
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The term is 'kayfabe'.

You know its scripted, but you buy into it as authentic and enjoy it for what it is; entertainment.

Wrestling stopped pretending to be real around the 90s. Vince McMahon coining the term ''sports entertainment''. The Undertaker was one of the last guys to maintain the realism, for a long time not breaking character outside of wrestling.

But you also have to separate scripted match outcomes from the actual falls and moves, because the later can and do hurt. You can't exactly fake falling off of a ladder, for example. These guys and gals break their bodies by taking real falls.

There is wrestling in SA, it's just very niche and nowhere near as good as overseas. We have had a couple of guys make it to the WWE and their development territory. This guy being the most recent.
 
thestaggy said:
The term is 'kayfabe'.

You know its scripted, but you buy into it as authentic and enjoy it for what it is; entertainment.

Wrestling stopped pretending to be real around the 90s. Vince McMahon coining the term ''sports entertainment''. The Undertaker was one of the last guys to maintain the realism, for a long time not breaking character outside of wrestling.

But you also have to separate scripted match outcomes from the actual falls and moves, because the later can and do hurt. You can't exactly fake falling off of a ladder, for example. These guys and gals break their bodies by taking real falls.

There is wrestling in SA, it's just very niche and nowhere near as good as overseas. We have had a couple of guys make it to the WWE and their development territory. This guy being the most recent.
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reading a bit into it and realizing how fake and theatrical it all is always amazes me,

sponsorships, huge money, massive budgets and huge crowds all to watch a very highly choreographed wresting sequence with fireworks, stage lighting, canned outcomes and acting.

like I said earlier, different strokes for different folks, but as compared to other sports like MMA where outcomes aren't decided in advance, some actual skill involved and some measure of training, gets less of a following than WWE,

seeing that there are other wresting federations and none of them gathered the amount of following of WWE, is also quite amazing, must be a uniquely American thing.

I mean I get it some people (myself) think blowing up pretend aliens on a screen is the best thing in the world, while others watch 2 grown men pretend to wrestle is the biggest thing in the world.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
reading a bit into it and realizing how fake and theatrical it all is always amazes me,

sponsorships, huge money, massive budgets and huge crowds all to watch a very highly choreographed wresting sequence with fireworks, stage lighting, canned outcomes and acting.

like I said earlier, different strokes for different folks, but as compared to other sports like MMA where outcomes aren't decided in advance, some actual skill involved and some measure of training, gets less of a following than WWE,

seeing that there are other wresting federations and none of them gathered the amount of following of WWE, is also quite amazing, must be a uniquely American thing.

I mean I get it some people (myself) think blowing up pretend aliens on a screen is the best thing in the world, while others watch 2 grown men pretend to wrestle is the biggest thing in the world.
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It's entertainment for a lot of people. People have different tastes and a lot of them swear it's real.

There's of course the drugs, exploitation (sexual and otherwise) that's come out of it but that's back office stuff. The facade remains making the wrestlers and co's pockets greener than Yoda.
 
R13... said:
It's entertainment for a lot of people. People have different tastes and a lot of them swear it's real.

There's of course the drugs, exploitation (sexual and otherwise) that's come out of it but that's back office stuff. The facade remains making the wrestlers and co's pockets greener than Yoda.
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yes Entertainment, and here is where I'm gonna piss off a lot of people ,
I look at most professional sports the same way, Rugby, cricket, soccer as slightly better than WWE, and literally don't get any of it.

maybe its the way I was raised in a technocrat household where I think the closest thing I ever watched to WWE was MTN gladiators, but got bored after realizing its not as exciting as PC gaming where I'm flying a F18 and dropping bombs on a military base.

and thats why I'm asking where all of this adoration comes from, as WWE is essentially that a very choreographed bit of acting, with close training and coordination to not get injured, and people flock to it in their millions.

I mean I dont get it, I really dont, and Ive tried to watch it, even Soccer, Rugby, cricket, none of it made sense,
whether its the big professional stuff or the small scale kids playing in a park

am I unique in this outlook?
 
wbot said:
You mean the character he played in wwf?


Hope you don't think only rightards liked him. Crazy how everything these days is right vs left.
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It's the second time today I'm going to be philosophical about mybb and forum puking.

Hulk Hogan was an entertainer and the bit I saw, he did well. Good on him.
Tom Cruise? He makes good movies and I enjoy them.
Amber Turd? She is/was a good actress.
Jamie Lee Curtis. Good actress.
Cher? Hell, what a voice!
etc etc

Does that mean I enjoy their personal life? No, I acknowledge that which they are famous for, even their personal lives are a bit ... dodgey. However, why should we now try and take some moral high ground based upon what some media outlet did a click bait on, or mommy Rachel Madcow told us to be upset about, deprive myself of a chuckle or enjoy what they are known for?

RIP HH. Never was a fan, simply because it did not intrest me. But I had a laugh at some of the stuff where you were clearly play-acting, where it crossed my path. The 'roid rage act was quite entertaining. Ty!:thumbsup:
 
Gotta laugh at all these miserable, saintly sjws coming in after someone's death posting nothing but some negative stuff they once said or did.
 
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