Human rights group fears killer robots

This "human rights" group is wrong. As with most other types of weapons, such robots could be used for good - e.g. stopping rapes and murders - or for helping take out fascist dictators like Kim Jong Un. If they could be used for private security you could have one help prevent a home invasion at your house, or protect your family from being hijacked. Banning them would thus be immoral (and in fact a violation of human rights, so its ironic that a "human rights" group is advocating violating human rights). Rather, the regulatory environment needs to focus on controlling their use to ensure they're used for moral good - e.g. transparency and oversight for military use.
 
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“The robot could take a bullet in its computer and go berserk. So there’s no way of really determining who’s accountable and that’s very important for the laws of war.”

Not funny but I had to lol.

As to who is accountable, would be the owner. If your dog bites a child, you are responsible , even though it's the dog that gets euthanized.
 
Hmm, seems Asimovs "Three Laws of Robotics" have still not been passed as a UN resolution yet :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics

But since under Asimov's philosophy you can't derive an OUGHT from an IS these laws are meaningless, besides killer robots would be developed to kill people, much like the drones used currently in Afghanistan.

Any robot with philosophy 101 would figure that out and start to ignore them, if you let it calculate "reasoning" or "logic". Of course hopefully we won't get that far, maybe machines won't be able to emulate logical reasoning but then again their programmer can disregard these Asimov Laws too.... after all they're 100% arbitrary.
 
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This "human rights" group is wrong. As with most other types of weapons, such robots could be used for good - e.g. stopping rapes and murders - or for helping take out fascist dictators like Kim Jong Un. If they could be used for private security you could have one help prevent a home invasion at your house, or protect your family from being hijacked. Banning them would thus be immoral (and in fact a violation of human rights, so its ironic that a "human rights" group is advocating violating human rights). Rather, the regulatory environment needs to focus on controlling their use to ensure they're used for moral good - e.g. transparency and oversight for military use.

Violation of human rights to ban killer robots? Are you saying a killer robot is the only way to protect your family? What of law enforcement? What of firearms? Reinforced glass on vehicles? etc.

Not sure that there is a fundamental right to killer robots. Of course there is a fundamental right to life and one has a right to protect it, but it's not said that it has to be done this way.
 
This "human rights" group is wrong. As with most other types of weapons, such robots could be used for good - e.g. stopping rapes and murders - or for helping take out fascist dictators like Kim Jong Un. If they could be used for private security you could have one help prevent a home invasion at your house, or protect your family from being hijacked. Banning them would thus be immoral (and in fact a violation of human rights, so its ironic that a "human rights" group is advocating violating human rights). Rather, the regulatory environment needs to focus on controlling their use to ensure they're used for moral good - e.g. transparency and oversight for military use.

Ok. Then tell me this. Who decides who is a "fascist dictator" which should be taken out? What if President Y of Country Z who was democratically elected doesn't want to follow 'your rules'?

And as for private security. Your car is hijacked at night and you are thrown out in an unknown suburb. You fear for your live. You run to the nearest home to ask for help and the robot takes you out? Or your teenager sneaks out and comes home with some new buddies, the robot sees the buddies first. Bam!

Think about ALL the repercussions first.
 
This "human rights" group is wrong. As with most other types of weapons, such robots could be used for good - e.g. stopping rapes and murders - or for helping take out fascist dictators like Kim Jong Un. If they could be used for private security you could have one help prevent a home invasion at your house, or protect your family from being hijacked. Banning them would thus be immoral (and in fact a violation of human rights, so its ironic that a "human rights" group is advocating violating human rights). Rather, the regulatory environment needs to focus on controlling their use to ensure they're used for moral good - e.g. transparency and oversight for military use.

Haven't laughed this hard in a LONG time, mybb is comedy GOLD! 10/10
 
Ok. Then tell me this. Who decides who is a "fascist dictator" which should be taken out? What if President Y of Country Z who was democratically elected doesn't want to follow 'your rules'?

Did you miss the part where I said "transparency and oversight for military use"?

Why do you suppose that it's possible to have justice mechanisms when it comes to ordinary murderers, but somehow impossible for murders who happen to be part of an oppressive regime? Should we also give up on prosecuting normal murder?

If President Y of Country Z decides not to follow rules, and violates human rights in the process, then the answer should be patently obvious to you already, I'm not sure why it's not clear. In fact I've already stated it. If a leader is a fascist dictator, then it's OK to take them out.

Whether or not a leader is a fascist dictator is not a subjective matter. Either a leader is doing things like murdering or locking up his citizens for victimless crimes, or a leader isn't. In the former case the rest of the world have a moral right to defend the innocent against the murderer/violator, and in the latter case they don't.

International courts could easily be established to weigh evidence (transparently, and with oversight). In fact there already exist such mechanisms.

You fear for your live. You run to the nearest home to ask for help and the robot takes you out? Or your teenager sneaks out and comes home with some new buddies, the robot sees the buddies first.

This is a pure strawman argument, and delirious - killer robots aren't going to shoot randomly at anyone they see, don't be ridiculous, this isn't "Robocop" - on the contrary, they will (and can rightfully) be subject to the exact same moral constraints that are applied to humans currently. For example, under South African law, you quite reasonably can't shoot someone unless they are presently attacking you, or are clearly about to attack you, and there is thus an immediate threat of violence. Intelligent killer robots will be subject to the exact same requirements - their algorithms would have to identify an actual imminent, or underway, threat of violence.

If we can assume that such robots would be subject to these requirements, then why would you still be against them?

A robot that fails to reasonably attempt to do so, its owner would probably reasonably be liable for whatever happens. You don't seem to understand though, we already have machine vision algorithms that can identify things like guns or knives, as well as behavioural recognition and prediction algorithms. In 20 or 30 years time, algorithms will be very good - probably better than humans - at objectively determining (with a high degree of accuracy) if an actual threat is present.

So what the robots will do is actually protect your teenage daughter if her 'buddies' decide to rape her, but will do nothing if not.

Haven't laughed this hard in a LONG time, mybb is comedy GOLD! 10/10

So the fact that all you can do is giggle, I'll take as confirmation that you lack a well-thought-out reasoned response.

Violation of human rights to ban killer robots? Are you saying a killer robot is the only way to protect your family?

I didn't say it'll be the "only way", but it will be a way, and you in fact don't have a right to use force to force others to not defend their own life in some particular way that they prefer, unless that method is actually a provable threat to you. And unless your knowledge of machine intelligence is based on Hollywood movies, intelligent "killer robots" just aren't going to be (unless wielded by, say, a fascist government - in which case some other government should be allowed to come to your defense ... and if their methods to do so are banned, oh well, it's tough luck for you).
 
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