Hunters : CRS vs BBotB

When I first rolled EU I was planning on switching to a Hunter. I figured Raiding with 2x Melee DPS classes was enough.
Long story short, the Hunter was meant to level with mates and I made a Priest alt to play around on (because I wanted to see why so many Shadow Priests fail).
The Hunter waited for my mates to log and the Priest dinged 70 :P
A Rogue followed, but one of my mates who started WoW the same time as me has turned from being a Pally Healing Machine of Win to a really good Hunter.

It's really funny to see him pew-pewing and really enjoying himself pwning stuff.
 
I might have to consider to switch to a 1:1 rotation again. Everything I read about 2.8 bows with haste items points to 1:1. Wonder how it would effect my dps.
 
I reckon ill save my haste gear for when i get Archi's bow
 
Werries give the 3:2 macro rotation a go... I think you are borderline of being too close to the 1.8 / 1.9 shooting speed threshold, but you might still be on the safe side. The faster the bow, the less haste you need... thats why they dont advise too much haste with fast weapons like yours. Also... if possible, loose some HR, you are way over your cap now. There is no benefit above 142 for a hunter, its stats you are throwing away, rather replace a HR gem with a crit gem or something I would say.

Your AP is sweet, just work on your crit aggresively now.
Where are you guys progress wise now ? what instances are you farming ?

@optioncard user - yes the archi bow rocks ! BBoTB on a average boss fight, generates around 2 x mana pots worth of mana I hear !!!
If it drops its mine... i am first up in line for it.. but do you think that damn illidan wants to drop any hunter loot ?? hell no...
In order to complete my build, I need 4 x drops badly from BT, but they just never ever drop :(

@theshogun - I dont know how people do it with melee classes... even with my druid... in cat form when I attack... I sometimes have to be next / behind the enemy to attack it... says I am out of range... frustrating. Ranged dps is much more latency friendly I reckon :)
Shadow priests are imba ! deadly when played in the right hands.
 
Optioncarduser said:
You might wanna get that looked at?

Yes MadMailMan, this does sound like jibberish to non-wow players but the community i'm posting this to, does understand it however

Hunters have the most complex dps rotation in Warcraft, so its always good to discuss macros/weapons speeds/haste ratings etc with each other
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Sorry dude, must have wondered in here by mistake. Last Warcraft I played was all, "You're making me sea-sick!", and "What you want me kill!". Guess I'm just showing my age. Although it sounds a lot like the old D&D we used to play as kids but that was with dice and paper. Damn I'm old. :(
 
Pornolio

I have tried a bit with the 3:2 variation. We were just on a normal Kara run last night, and with way less than optimal raid buffs I atleast manage to sustan about 1k dps, its about 50dps higer than what I would usualy get in such a situation. Boss fights like Prince I got to about 1150dps, which I think is still a tad low, since this is prob one of the easiest range fight out there.
Added that we had a druid tank and thus no sunders.
Not sure whether I am clipping shot or not but I managed about a 49% SS dmg and 41% AS. I have also played around with dropping haste items, by switching to some of my pvp gear. Think most of the time I were down to 25 haste only from my badge chest. Using the S3 axe instead of my ZA sword.

In this gear setup my crit went up to 26% but I took a knock on RAP to 2002 raid buffed (food, motw, elixers). So with the less Haste my speed were upped to 2.0s. logged out in the gear I was using.

I will most likely drop the +30 hit scope I have on my x-bow for the critrating one. Before I have stugled to get to 135 hitrating but have over shot that mark now. 125 ish should be ok though with less than a 1% drop in miss?
 
Oh and we are stil farming SSC excl Vashji and The Eye excl Kael.
Progressing into MH mostly with first 2 bosses down, working on 3rd.
Had a short visit to BT, but need to work a lot still on first boss, team work on throwing spines and not all getting killed by aoe was still lacking, had only one try though.
 
@ Werries - Ok cool... had a look @ your profile... and wowzers.. you sort of overshot the Hit rating cap by 30 now. Hehe... Ok, but its pretty easy to fix your setup.

Removing that +30 HR scope will put on the perfect sweet spot of 142 ! which is perfect.

Your crit needs serious attention, I would say, lets drop a little bit of AP and get the crit up. We can compensate quite easy... Replacing your leg enchant with a Nethercobra leg enchant, means you get +10 AP exstra and +2 crit exstra. Because we gain 10 AP, we can turf say 4 x of those +16 AP gems and replace them with 4 x 8 agility ones. The loss of attack power would be minimal. Another compensation you can do, is get the PVP epic gems, all three of them and put them in your gear. The +20 AP one makes the loss even smaller once again on the AP stats. You are talking very very little loss here.
Another important upgrade you should strongly consider :
http://thottbot.com/i30046
Get that belt crafted ASAP. Put the PVP +10 crit gem in there + a shifting nightseye gem (you will gain the socket bonus as well then) The gains in AP alone on that belt, will even out ALL your losses you made on the AP --> agility gem replacements. So you will be on par more or less with your current attack power, but most likely be 4/5% crit higher. Your AP is very good, so we must try and keep it on the 2k mark more or less.. even 1900 is still fine for your level gear.

Get the +28 crit scope on your bow and you are good to destroy those meters again.

Yes... as for those damage / dps reports you saw last night. The warrior tank with 5 x sunder armours is pretty much VERY VERY important.
I think with a warrior there with 5 sunders stacked... you can add another 200 dps to that figure easily. You should be around the 1400 / 1500 dps mark with a perfect group setup on focussed firing bosses.

Also if possible... farm MH trash mobs with your raid, get the scales of sands arrows. Those arrows are MASSIVE dps boost.

Follow those guidelines and watch another boost in dps... but from there on you need some more higher level drops to take you to the next level. That would be the optimal setup you can achieve on your current gear level.
 
Pornolio said:
Werries give the 3:2 macro rotation a go... I think you are borderline of being too close to the 1.8 / 1.9 shooting speed threshold, but you might still be on the safe side. The faster the bow, the less haste you need... thats why they dont advise too much haste with fast weapons like yours. Also... if possible, loose some HR, you are way over your cap now. There is no benefit above 142 for a hunter, its stats you are throwing away, rather replace a HR gem with a crit gem or something I would say.

Your AP is sweet, just work on your crit aggresively now.
Where are you guys progress wise now ? what instances are you farming ?

@optioncard user - yes the archi bow rocks ! BBoTB on a average boss fight, generates around 2 x mana pots worth of mana I hear !!!
If it drops its mine... i am first up in line for it.. but do you think that damn illidan wants to drop any hunter loot ?? hell no...
In order to complete my build, I need 4 x drops badly from BT, but they just never ever drop :(

@theshogun - I dont know how people do it with melee classes... even with my druid... in cat form when I attack... I sometimes have to be next / behind the enemy to attack it... says I am out of range... frustrating. Ranged dps is much more latency friendly I reckon :)
Shadow priests are imba ! deadly when played in the right hands.
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Unfortunately Cat form Druids have serious range issues that Blizz keeps trying to fix but hasn't gotten right.

Yeah I agree SPriests are IMBA the problem is it seems so hard to find good ones.
Most of the guys I ran with sucked badly and I could never understand why. Now I understand why but now I just think they fail and shouldn't bother playing WoW :P
 
Thanks again for the tips! much appreciated.
Will give the belt, gems and scope a go this week still, just need to get some gold for the upgrades :D
 
Saw a little update on the latest upcoming patch for hunters :

Scare Beast: The range on this spell has been increased to 30 yards and it is now instant cast.

hell yea !!! druid fearing FTW in arena now... and its instant cast !
 
Yeah pornolio...

Gonna love instant cast fearing those silly feral druids :p
 
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