I need some Car Licencing help

foozball3000

foozball3000

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Hi guys,

here the situation:
My car still isn't on my name, and the previous owner doesn't want to play ball.
I've taken this to the police with the proof of purchase and an afridavid of the situation, and they gave me clearance and said I must then re-register the car from scratch.

The licencing department decided that as long as contact with the previous owner is possible, they will not help me. According to them, if she doesn't want to co-operate, I should make a civil case against her.

So, I tried contacting her.. no success. And I found out what a lawyer costs.. it's R1000 p/h! :eek:
That makes the civil-case route impossible.

The remaining options are:
1. Rack up speed fines until she starts to co-operate.
2. Drive technically illegally. (Will be arrested if caught)
3. Sell the car... (Won't get a good price without papers
4. Get the car registered "under the table"

Does any one know of another way to get my car onto the system? If so, please PM me. The current system clearly doesn't work anyway.

I've been trying to get the car on my name since September 2011. It's cost me a lot of time and money.. and I just want to get this done.
 
Go to the licensing department...

Throw a fit... and get the car re-registered...

If they won't help you, get in touch with the central office, get the media involved etc etc...
 
B.O.F.H. said:
Go to the licensing department...

Throw a fit... and get the car re-registered...

If they won't help you, get in touch with the central office, get the media involved etc etc...
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Tried the first part, even found the "Manager" (if that's what you want to call him), no prevail.
If I have success with the "under the table" method, I'll take it to the media. Because this is insane. The reason illegal routes flourish in our country is because the legal route never works.
 
foozball3000 said:
Tried the first part, even found the "Manager" (if that's what you want to call him), no prevail.
If I have success with the "under the table" method, I'll take it to the media. Because this is insane. The reason illegal routes flourish in our country is because the legal route never works.
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I don't understand. If you have the car registration documents, and you have proof of purchase in the form of a receipt, then nothing further is needed from the previous owner. Just fill in the blue form and hand everything in. You're not telling us something.
 
deweyzeph said:
I don't understand. If you have the car registration documents, and you have proof of purchase in the form of a receipt, then nothing further is needed from the previous owner. Just fill in the blue form and hand everything in. You're not telling us something.
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I lost the original registration documents in a basement flood (just moved in and everything was in boxes).
The lady refuses to send another set of registration documents. (Which she has, and got from the licencing center upon the loss of the originals).
 
foozball3000 said:
I lost the original registration documents in a basement flood (just moved in and everything was in boxes).
The lady refuses to send another set of registration documents. (Which she has, and got from the licencing center upon the loss of the originals).
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Aaah, ok. That makes sense. Without the registration document physically in your possession you aren't going to get anywhere.

Is there any particular reason why the previous owner doesn't want to give you the document?
 
foozball3000 said:
I lost the original registration documents in a basement flood (just moved in and everything was in boxes).
The lady refuses to send another set of registration documents. (Which she has, and got from the licencing center upon the loss of the originals).
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Did you offer to compensate her for the duplicate documents, or did you just demand that she give it to you. The last time I enquired duplicate documents were in the region of R100 where I live. She is under no obligation to help you since you were in possession of the originals and lost them.
 
deweyzeph said:
Aaah, ok. That makes sense. Without the registration document physically in your possession you aren't going to get anywhere.

Is there any particular reason why the previous owner doesn't want to give you the document?
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Nope. The last time we spoke and I tried to explain what happened, she just rambled on how she has to take off from work to get the papers, how much it costs, etc. She didn't give me a chance to respond or make a deal then called me a "Stupid Student" and slammed the phone in my ear. (So to speak)

The q4u service that's helping me out, even tried calling her and explaining that we need those documents and that we'll even let a courier pick it up from her. Nothing.
 
Post her information on here for all to see, then let her know about it and tell her she left you no other choice.:D

That or ride a few times not too fast through a speed camera, try to make it as close as possible to the time she must renew her own car's license.
 
foozball3000 said:
Hi guys,

here the situation:
My car still isn't on my name, and the previous owner doesn't want to play ball.
I've taken this to the police with the proof of purchase and an afridavid of the situation, and they gave me clearance and said I must then re-register the car from scratch.

The licencing department decided that as long as contact with the previous owner is possible, they will not help me. According to them, if she doesn't want to co-operate, I should make a civil case against her.

So, I tried contacting her.. no success. And I found out what a lawyer costs.. it's R1000 p/h! :eek:
That makes the civil-case route impossible.

The remaining options are:
1. Rack up speed fines until she starts to co-operate.
2. Drive technically illegally. (Will be arrested if caught)
3. Sell the car... (Won't get a good price without papers
4. Get the car registered "under the table"

Does any one know of another way to get my car onto the system? If so, please PM me. The current system clearly doesn't work anyway.

I've been trying to get the car on my name since September 2011. It's cost me a lot of time and money.. and I just want to get this done.
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Why do you want to get into the system ? and 2. Why would you be driving technically illegally ?

You don't realise it but you are in the pound seats now. You have the proof that you are the owner of the car.
The car IS registered ( on her name ) so you cannot be arrested. If I were you I would also stop renewing the car license. If you get a fine via speed camera the fine will go to her. If they stop you, have all the details of the Registered Owner ready to give to the officer.

I'm in the exact same situation as you and I plan to keep it that way.

Watch this video, to understand what I mean. ( Just substitute ICBC with SANRAL )


ICBC and the right to travel
 
Just stop renewing the licence. If she has another vehicle, she won't be able to renew the licence on it until this one is paid up...she'll contact you soon enough
 
dendens said:
Just stop renewing the licence. If she has another vehicle, she won't be able to renew the licence on it until this one is paid up...she'll contact you soon enough
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Or just get a speeding fine via a speed camera. That will probably get things done much quicker than having to wait.

Seems this woman is just a cow and being difficult for no reason other than that she can.
 
Those are good alternatives, but I'd rather just have the car on my name.

Another option presented itself yesterday... use the current working car to fix up a cheap broken one and just register that one.
 
Racking up speeding fines is a short term solution. All she needs to do is furnish your details to the prosecutor, and they will withdraw the fines issued in her name and re-issue them in yours. Additionally, it they ever get their system working, they won't register the car in your name while there are outstanding fines, so you run the risk of shooting yourself in the foot.
 
Colin62 said:
Racking up speeding fines is a short term solution. All she needs to do is furnish your details to the prosecutor, and they will withdraw the fines issued in her name and re-issue them in yours. Additionally, it they ever get their system working, they won't register the car in your name while there are outstanding fines, so you run the risk of shooting yourself in the foot.
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I also thought it would be a bad idea. But I don't have many options. :(
 
I don't know why you guys are dissing the system here. The system is meant to protect you from someone just walking into the licensing department and reregistering a vehicle in their name. Imagine if they weren't so strict about the registration papers. The system is meant to protect you and that is exactly what it is doing.

The licensing department is absolutely correct in what they are doing. You could just be anyone walking off the street and claiming that the car belongs to you. Without the original registration papers they should and do have every right to refuse to register the car in your name.

Not that I'm not sympathetic to your problem, but your issue is with this woman who you bought the car from, not with the licensing department. They are just doing their job and for once they seem to be doing it well.
 
deweyzeph said:
I don't know why you guys are dissing the system here. The system is meant to protect you from someone just walking into the licensing department and reregistering a vehicle in their name. Imagine if they weren't so strict about the registration papers. The system is meant to protect you and that is exactly what it is doing.

The licensing department is absolutely correct in what they are doing. You could just be anyone walking off the street and claiming that the car belongs to you. Without the original registration papers they should and do have every right to refuse to register the car in your name.

Not that I'm not sympathetic to your problem, but your issue is with this woman who you bought the car from, not with the licensing department. They are just doing their job and for once they seem to be doing it well.
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So, if your house's security system doesn't allow you to ever enter your home, while the criminals get access anyway, you'd say it's a perfect working system?

If the police says it's not stolen, and there's proof of purchase... then, you know, perhaps the guy who's trying to register the car is legit. Or that might just be me.

IF you're right in what you're saying, then one could argue, why have a human behind the counter in the first place?
It will be a lot more effective to have programs running the place than people who does not have insight into a situation anyway. Also, programs can't be bribed, can't strike and doesn't take all day to process a form.

Hence, system not working.
 
foozball3000 said:
So, if your house's security system doesn't allow you to ever enter your home, while the criminals get access anyway, you'd say it's a perfect working system?

If the police says it's not stolen, and there's proof of purchase... then, you know, perhaps the guy who's trying to register the car is legit. Or that might just be me.

IF you're right in what you're saying, then one could argue, why have a human behind the counter in the first place?
It will be a lot more effective to have programs running the place than people who does not have insight into a situation anyway. Also, programs can't be bribed, can't strike and doesn't take all day to process a form.

Hence, system not working.
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The problem is that it's easy to obtain police clearance and it's easy to forge proof of purchase. So let's say you borrow your friend's BMW and take it down to the nearest police clearance place and have it cleared. Then you make up a nice fake receipt on your computer, fake a few signatures and come up with a convincing story. Are you saying that you'd rather have it so that anyone could just walk into a licensing office and convince them to change the ownership of a vehicle without any registration papers? What if someone did that with a vehicle that you own?

I know it's hard to see it now, but these rules are there to protect all of us and our vehicles. Your case is an unfortunate situation where the rules are frustrating your ability to get the car into your name, but the rules are there for very good reasons.
 
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