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Does anyone know when the ADSL ICASA Draft Regulations final hearing is going to take place?
 
Hi Starbuck

No date has been announced yet. The MyADSL members will be off the first to know :D

Regards,

RPM
 
These Submissions Are Required Reading !!

These submissions should be categorised as "required reading" fellow-members - excellent work RPM!

I am constantly amazed at how you keep your finger on the pulse of these inevitably "slimy" instances ... All in it for their own benefit (only) AND, if they got their way, with immunity and impunity!

A classic case of ...

"Oink, oink - move further up the trough, thank you" - and guess which is the model swine? Who other than Telcr*p??? Mind you, most of the others are avid students - or should that be wannabe imitators? :(

Needless to say, the Tekcr*p submission is enough to make one puke .. touching tomorrow? Ha ha ... A mixture of sarcasm, semantics, veiled threats and bullying, masquerading as concern for the industry .. NOT ...

Keep up the hard work fellow forumees ... "aanhouer sal nog wen!" :D

And thanks yet again for all the hard work you put into this website, RPM, on behalf of all of us, expecially the non-techies amongst us ...

Regards

Pammi
 
I read the SNO, MWeb, and IS one. The IS one is the easiest to read. Only 8 pages. The MWeb and SNO submissions are a bit long.

Don't want to read the Telkom one. It'll be too depressing.
 
I thouroughly enjoyed the MWEB submission (a bit sad i know :P), but it definetely got down to the real nitty-gritty of the Draft Regulations, and gave some excellent regulations recommendations.
If MWEBS' regulations had to be used for the final regulations, we would seriously have a great ADSL market :D
 
IS (most enjoyable); MWeb (good points), SNO (encouraging). Telkom (legally ICASA can't touch us...), Vodacom (Legally ICASA can't implement this)
 
From the Telkom submision:

"Although ISPs can offer packages of 10Gbyte, the average user uses only 2.5Gbyte. It will therefore be unfair to charge for a 10GByte package whilst knowing that the majority of customers only uses 2.5GByte. Since many ISPs do not currently cap individual users there is no theoretical maximum currently."

Hey, did I miss something:confused:

"The substantial cap increase to 10GigaByte and the reservation of resources to provide that to all users unfortunately exceeds the requirement of 95% of the current wholesale base and will result in an effective price increase of over 300% on the wholesale price of the product."

They just don't get it :mad:

I sincerely hope someone with enough knowledge and brain power can shoot Telkom's submission down.
 
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Bwahahaha....
From Telkom's Submission:
Although Telkom does not necessarily endorse the MyADSL Broadband Ratings Report, the methodology used or the ratings received from the same, it is important to point out the following:
• the Report contains a comparative analysis of different broadband offerings
• Telkom’s ADSL products received the highest scores
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Some interesting reading there, i read all of them.
I got out my popcorn for the telkom one and just laughed at all the lies :D
 
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From an equipment point of view the only common network element between dial-up and ADSL access is the copper local loop. The DSLAM, BRAS and additional transmission bandwidth in the core network, constitute additional equipment that is used for ADSL access, and which requires additional capital and operating expenditure in order to provide the service.
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Why must we pay for it - spend some of that fat profit and invest in the future.
The amount of capital invested in the network by Telkom so as to enable ADSL provisioning will be more than R1.2 billion by the 2006 financial year-end. This does not include the operational expenditure and indirect costs associated with ADSL provisioning.
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Well - seeing as you got the network given to you for free (gratis the sa consumer investment) - then don't you think you should spend some of your own money - or raise some investment on the open market - instead of making us pay for it.
In summary, as can be clearly seen from the second diagram, in providing PSTS access to ISPs using the ADSL technology, significant recurring costs are incurred. Unlike the dial-up service, the customer does not pay call charges for accessing an ISP. Telkom does however incur additional infrastructural and ongoing operational costs...
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A line charge of R220 odd (plus my telephone line rental) - R300 in line charges - plus the isp charge... you two should be able to work this out - so we are not paying 800% (or was it 1600%) more for our internet than the world norm (whether outback australia or outer hebrides UK). These twin charges are excessive and there is no defense - no matter any added cost, etc.
Broadband and basic telephony charges should, therefore, be treated separately. A monthly broadband charge and rental for basic telephony should, therefore, be levied separately since they essentially cover two separate elements in the network.
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No - it is one and the same network with some added equipment. You take the wonders of modern technology and abuse it, us, and your good name. Shame on you telkom. You are losing the line rental - get over it - you never know - we may even start making more and longer phone calls. Cover your network expenses through a fair fee in the bandwidth price - do not rape, pillage and plunder.
As described earlier, much more than this is involved. The capital costs for establishing the ADSL service are material.
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Explain 800% more. Explain 6 billion.
It is not clear what the Authority means by the statement that “Service providers shall purchase bandwidth from network operators at a wholesale rate agreed between the parties …..”, for the following reasons:

Any agreement between wholesalers of bandwidth on the price of such bandwidth could be seen as “price collusion”, and could be determined to be anticompetitive behaviour on the part of the wholesalers of bandwidth.
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Telkom you are pitiful - on the one hand you say setting prices would be collusion - but then you go on to say "Telkom is the only “network operator” involved in the process. It provides bandwidth to first tier ISPs and, via its SAIX service, to second tier ISPs." - So - you are setting market prices throughout and from the start - it is you that is defining the market and the price - so you are the only guilty party. You make me sick.
The ITU’s recommendations are used globally as guidelines for establishing a service and normally represent commonly recognised principles and characteristics. To date in RSA, the broadband ADSL service has been provided in a manner that maintains the broadband character.
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Except it is way overpriced - according to global guides - and you are the only operator in the world to charge line fees. Explain 800%, explain 6 billion.

And I could go on - but enough.
 
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