ICASA: Your Feedback Needed

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Hi folks

Most of you have a good idea of what has been said at the hearings and what the most important points are. Please give feedback on what you would like to inform ICASA about. Please keep it concise and simple. I will compile these ideas into a document as a final submission from the MyADSL members (broadband users).

Can you please ensure that you give feedback by Tuesday 19 April at 12:00.

Regards,

RPM
 
"Telkom said that the reason why they have line rental and the other countries don’t, is because they structured their product offering different."


International practice indicates that adsl "speed" is reflected in the ISP costs - the faster the connection the more you pay.

With Telkom, ISP costs stay the same, no matter what speed package you take (192 / 384 / 512). Line rental determines the cost / speed.

This is another indicator that Telkom (mis)uses the line rental just to make more money.
 
I don't think I have anything to add apart from what has been said already. I feel the most important point is that the costs of adsl must come down and you covered that brilliantly in your presentation. So I would say just stick to that line.
 
Please can you point out the fact that Telkom should have brought an engineer along to the final day, and that Telkom's failure to bring an engineer allowed them to neglect to answer several questions on the basis that none of the Telkom people present were as technically savvy as required.

Rpm, could you also point out that Telkom has not engaged with the users of this forum. In their comments today, they suggested that they had had extensive contact and been responsive with both you and the members of MyAdsl. They did not say this directly, but they implied it very strongly.

Please also point out the contradictions in Telkom's statements - like the fact that they acknowledged that the Tarifica Report existed, but when ICASA requested it, denied any knowledge of its existence.

One last thing - Perhaps you could also express disappointment with the fact that Telkom only supplied ICASA with certian information and reports this morning - while ICASA had requested it a while ago. ICASA thus did not have the time to read through Telkom's documents, and this was certainly an impediment to the hearings today.
 
the very fact that telkom had to be involved to this level with the public and icasa proves in itself that telkom are abusing their monopolistic position.

this forum proves it. hellkom proves it.
 
RPM,

A lot of people including yourself raised the Access/Line rental (This is the R600 Telkom charge us) as the main cost issue.

Telkom's explanation or justification of this, when no other ISP in the world charge this, is not just plain stupid but I believe a blatant lie. A request was made by a member of the public today to have the breakdown of this cost allowed for public scrutiny.

Telkom stated they would not! ICASA has been given a breakdown of these costs, and I believe it is in the publics interest to have access to this. Telkom justification of this costs does not make sense, and this would clear it up.

ISP's have stated they cannot compete with Telkom as they are cross subsidizing the retail business, and you showed this to be the case too. I believe this issue need to be really pushed hard, and this is where the most dramatic and beneficial changes can be made.

A further inquiry into the SAT 3 & SAFE could be suggested!
 
Hi RPM

I am preparing a a doc summarising my thoughts at this moment - will email it to you by 12 tomorrow.

Besides that, I noticed that a number of the presentations had some grammatical and spelling mistakes - no offense to the presenters :)
I do a lot of proof reading of company communications in my job, and would be glad to volunteer my proofing services if you would like help on that end with the compilation doc. Pm me?
 
lewstherin said:
Hi RPM

I am preparing a a doc summarising my thoughts at this moment - will email it to you by 12 tomorrow.

Besides that, I noticed that a number of the presentations had some grammatical and spelling mistakes - no offense to the presenters :)
I do a lot of proof reading of company communications in my job, and would be glad to volunteer my proofing services if you would like help on that end with the compilation doc. Pm me?
Hi Lewstherin

That will be great! I wish you were available 2 am on Thursday evening :D

Regards,

RPM
 
Also mention once again that no matter what Internet Service Provider the subscriber chooses ( I.S, UUNET, Voda 3G, MTN Edge, WBS, Sentech etc etc ) it eventually goes via Telkom as Telkom dictates the pricing as the sole communications carrier.

Someone else also mentioned Telkom dropping their pricing when the competition arrives ( article ), that shows that telkom have the flexibility
to drop the prices now should they so wish.

Lots of nice graphs so that it's easy for ICASA to read and compare ! ;)

Oh yes and discredit any new lies telkom has created to show their dishonesty over the last few days....
 
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It might be a good idea to mention that one clear conclusions can be drawn from the hearings: Unless the COA/CAM for ADSL is made available, Telkom cannot justify their prices.
 
"Double billing" on line rental and "ambiguous" pricing model

Its worth a shot, We can gain some ground here.

Preparing an attack from another angle .

Thinking....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
 
I’d say to ICASA, not only is Telkom charging us obscene prices for broadband, but they are also destroying job opportunities in SA. SA has already lost thousands of jobs to India who has massive call centres servicing the UK. SA desperately needs every job it can get its hands on, we don’t need companies like Telkom who steal job opportunities from their own country.

Here in the UK broadband has become like a necessity, everything is done online and many businesses would not be in business if it was not for cheap affordable broadband.

Lets create jobs not destroy them, ICASA, lets help Telkom realize this too. Cheap affordable broadband will put a smile on everyone’s face and it will make us a richer nation to be proud of.
 
As mentioned by most presenters, abolish line rental, ditto the cap(or at least raise it to reasonable standards, force telkom to make sat3 pipe available to isp's at cost.
 
rpm said:
Hi Lewstherin

That will be great! I wish you were available 2 am on Thursday evening :D

Regards,

RPM

Ditto. ;)
 
Re sat-3
A little bird tells me:

"yes, they [telkom]are the largest shareholder in sat-3 and because of the high price not much of the 120gb capacity is used....but that's the total
capacity of the cable for the other shareholders to use as well, so not
much mileage in saying they aren't giving the whole capacity ..they'd
love people to buy it all at their high price...this issue is being
discussed at high levels."

So this may be a good place to put some pressure...

good luck!
tm
 
I know you asked to keep it short - but - I couldn't help myself :o .
Skim the bold parts and read what interests you.

- ADSL (ISP + LINE) was paus-able when it first came out. i.e. Put the service on hold, and then resume it later without paying reconnection fee's. This option was removed without notifying anybody. In fact, any facet of Telkom's service can be removed, altered or done away with at any time. This is unfair to the consumer but we (the consumer) have no other choice. Telkom must be forced to provide a service level agreement.

- Telkom do not provide a "get-me-started" package to their new clients. e.g. A document specifying the installation procedures, login, password, changing password, troubleshooting, contact numbers ... This should be provided as a minimum to force service level improvements and help prevent unnecessary help-desk conjestion. This would help out a lot with the next 2 points.

- Telkom ISP advertise the free web space as part of their product, but no details are ever provided anywhere on this offering. Getting the details out of telkom takes way too long, and there are no garauntee's and very little support on this side of the offering. Telkom can even accidentally erase the contents of this hosted space leaving the customer with absolutely no recourse. There is a lot of confusion around who actually handles this facet of the business, and the client will get shunted around from pillar to post while trying to get this setup. Unacceptable.

- Telkom do not provide an easy to locate notice board concerning the status of the network (Insofar as ADSL users are concerned), nor do they indicate the network landing points and expected throughput capacity, effectively blinding the user as to the available network throughput to various potential service points. i.e. The client may not subscribe to any internet service with confidence, as there are far too many unknowns.

- Telkom ISP do not provide a garauntee on contention ratio's. The client purchasing the 512 product is purchasing a product that is supposedly capable of downloading at 512 kbps and uploading at 256 kbps but because many users share this service, the actual capacity of the line is unknown. Making the number of users sharing a segment visible to the end user would clarify the quality of the product being sold, the current offering has no measurable quality component.

- Telkom charge different fee's based on whether the client is a business or an individual. There could be long delays for a residential customer in actually getting ADSL installed or repaired. To make matters worse, the preference Telkom gives to business customers means that the install date previously set by Telkom for a residential customer could change at any time, and the residential customer has no choice but to accept that. This is not an example of a company that provides good customer service. Telkom could instead provide two or more different service levels, and let the client choose which service level the client needs. The current Telkom offering is discriminiating against business users.

- Telkom ISP implement a capped service that is - according to Telkom - implemented to provide a reasonable service to all subscribers. However, Telkom ISP also allow any user to purchase further bandwidth at a price. This option to purchase further badwidth negates the reason for the implementation of the cap in the first place, and places a huge question mark over the validity of the initial reason for the cap.

- Telkom charge - on the initial connection, the connection fee + the remainder of the first month's rental and ISP charges + next month's rental and Telkom ISP charges. Inevitably this charging methodology causes quite a shock to the client when the first bill arrives. Upon ordering the product, a client must be given a pro-rata invoice indicating the expected first-month costs, just like any other service-orientated company does.

- When installing the ADSL service, a client having (and paying for) more than one telephone point on the same line will suddenly find that the telephone point that does not have a "splitter" installed on it is now unusable. Telkom will charge a further fee to remove the other points, and until these points are removed, Telkom will refuse to stop charging for these now useless points. This is not an acceptable policy.

- Making payments electronically to Telkom involve the use of an extremely long code number (19 digits long). Extremely user unfriendly.

- Telkom implement a CUT-OFF limit, as well as a Debit Order limit. These features are not properly managed and many a customer has had their services cut-off because of these limits. During the ordering stages, the Debit Order limit and the CUT-OFF limit are not adjusted causing endless problems. It must be noted that Telkom does try to contact the user concerning these problems, but a proper ordering process would be much more effective.

- The music that Telkom play while you are on-hold should be banned and replaced with silence. It's an embarresment. Ask any Telkom customer.

- Users that currently utilise ISDN connections are charged another conversion fee to switch to the ADSL solution. It is cheaper to order a new analog line, and then cancel the ISDN line than to pay for the conversion. This policy is nonsense.

- Telkom ISP ADSL users are not encouraged to utilise local internet resources, in fact, the opposite is true, until a user is capped, that user will utilise international resources simply because, once capped, the user may only access local resources. (Telkom count local and international access towards the user's cap.) Telkom are a member of the "Proudly South African" campaign. One of the aims of a Proudly South African company is to promote local economic growth. The practise of not encouraging local browsing in fact discourages local economic growth. Telkom are an embarrasment to the "Proudly South African" campaign.
 
When a flea is held in a bottle with a lid on top, it will carry on bumping its head against the lid as it is trying to jump out of the jar. It easily has the potential to make the jump but because it is kept in that lid over a period of time it will eventually jump just high enough not to bump its head against the lid. If the lid is removed the flea will not be able to jump out of the jar, regardless of the fact that it's well within capability.

Ok I know the 3gig cap isnt the most important argument we're making, but why do they keep on retaliating with "Our research shows that the average user utilisation is well below 3GB, so it seems sufficient." when it is obvious that people will stay within in the limit merely due to the fact that there is a limit and crossing the limit will result in a capped internet connection. Or something like that- hope i make sense :D
 
Or say the speed limit in a certain area is 60km/h . After being caught speeding a few times and having to pay a hefty fine each time; you learn to stay under the speed limit.

I like my analogy better :p
 
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