ICASA: Your input needed

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Hi folks

I need some assistance from you. Can anybody that has signed up for the 24 month ADSL service please forward the contract to me.

The letter from ICASA:

“Can you please email me the 24 month contract that subscribers enter into with Telkom for the ADSL service ,and does Telkom enter into a service level agreements with ADSL subscribers.”

Any other comments about the above are most welcome.

Regards,

RPM
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I applied on-line when TELKOM's ADSL offering was first made public. I never received a formal contract, and cannot recollect if the application on the web-site has substantially changed. But currently when you sign up from here http://www.telkom.co.za/adsl/adsl_access_ordering.jsp?g=2 there is a link to the contract which you implicitly accept. Contract is here http://www.telkom.co.za/adsl/aterms.shtml
 
AFAIK Telkom very specifically does not provide ANY SLA except specifically mentioning that they don't have to have any level of service.
 
Hi RPM.
MaD has been doing some research into the relative costs of ADSL in other 3rd world countries, and his findings show Telkom is definately screwing us. I personally have noted that Senegal and Mauritius offer much better deals as far as ADSL pricing, and these countries have far less infrastructure than here. Would it not be worth compiling a document containing pricing for comparable African, Indian, South America and Australian/NZ ADSL offerings - it would be as simple as surfing the countries' Telco websites and pulling down the pages.
A document like that would prove fairly damning as far as Telkom's pricing goes.

Additionally, I had a long chat with a good friend of mine that works in the Telkom planning department. He was telling me a lot about the general mindset of management internally, as well as about how Telkom determines infrastructure planning.
A quick summary:
The mindset within Telkom is VERY shareholder focussed - everything done is done with the impact on share price in mind.
According to him, Telkom will not install any kind of copper line unless they stand to turn a profit on that line within ONE YEAR!
Being in Durban, he was also telling me that Telkom has a fiber loop running right around Durban that is exceptionally underutilised. The reason is that Telkom is charging such high rates for access to the fiber (ROI again) that only some of the banks can afford to use it. It would appear that Telkom is happier to leave lines underutilised than lower prices.
I also talked to him about what Podo posted a while back about how the PoP infrastructure is not being upgraded to allow broadband facilities. He confirmed this fact - being in planning he has tried several times to get major PoP links upgraded to fiber. However apparently absolutely no work is done by Telkom before picking up a calculator to check ROI. As a result infrastructure is not being upgraded - and this guy is the first to say that Telkom is being incredibly short sighted.
Interestingly his opinion is that the SNO will be good for Telkom as well as the country because it will force Telkom to compete and look at longer term ROI. This is because Eskom and Transtel have newer, faster infrastructure already laid - according to him, Transtel has infrastructure - including their own internal exchanges - that is being used at only 25% capacity...

This friend of mine is a good guy, and he's as sick of Telkom screwing people as we are - however he needs the job, and I have to sympathise with him. I could try to get a written statement from him, but I strongly doubt he will do it due to CP/job insecurity.

What would really help any ICASA hearing is blowing the lid off on how Telkom determines infrastructure upgrades, new servies etc. We need cold hard evidence though...

I know this isn't really along the lines of the 24 month contract stuff that you were looking for, but maybe it will help.

<font color="blue">Telkom needs a leash, ICASA needs some guts, and the </font id="blue"><font color="red">SA consumer</font id="red"><font color="blue"> needs to make it happen</font id="blue">
 
I think there is more to this than straight exchange rate conversions. You have to look at the relative cost to the people living in each of the countries you are comparing.
Do any of you know what the average monthly after tax income is for a Mauritian?
Do you know how telecommunication costs for Mauritians compare with their other cost of living items like food, petrol, clothing etc.?
ADSL @ 5500 Mauritian Rupees per month could be one heck of a lot of money to a Mauritian!
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by onionpeel</i>
<br />I think there is more to this than straight exchange rate conversions. You have to look at the relative cost to the people living in each of the countries you are comparing.
Do any of you know what the average monthly after tax income is for a Mauritian?
Do you know how telecommunication costs for Mauritians compare with their other cost of living items like food, petrol, clothing etc.?
ADSL @ 5500 Mauritian Rupees per month could be one heck of a lot of money to a Mauritian!
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This is exactly the point I made in another post.

Uncapped ADSL in the UK costs the same as a meal in a really nice restaurant.

3GB cap ADSL in South Africa costs the same as the monthly repayment on a NEW small car.

This is simply not right.


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United we stand!
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I think that we should stick with food as the commodity item to compare things - perhaps the Big Mac or a combination of fast food and restaurant food.
 
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