'If Mbeki goes, we go too'

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most cabinet ministers really think to much of themselves and that the whole of rsa actually can't be without them :rolleyes:

Most cabinet ministers loyal to President Thabo Mbeki have vowed to go down with him if he is pushed by the ANC, although the Jacob Zuma camp wants finance minister Trevor Manuel to remain in the interests of stability.

Manuel is understood to have upset some ANC cabinet ministers on Wednesday when he cautioned against the prevailing view in the cabinet, which favours a legal remedy to what the finance minister believes is essentially a political crisis.

The cabinet has decided to seek legal opinion on the way forward, after it rejected several inferences by Judge Chris Nicholson, including that Mbeki had interfered with the National Prosecuting Authority's prosecution of the ANC president.

Mbeki and Zuma were expected to meet on Thursday night, after their meeting scheduled for Wednesday did not take place.

Zuma was expected to assume a conciliatory approach and to ask Mbeki to work with the party to save himself further humiliation, ahead of a crucial meeting of the ANC's national executive committee, which begins today (Friday).

Zuma is expected to try to unite the party given the explosive polarisation likely to be caused in the already conflict-riven organisation, if Mbeki is indeed axed.

But this would put the ANC president on a collision course with the party militants, whose position has hardened since the National Prosecuting Authority's decision to appeal against Judge Nicholson's judgment.

Earlier on Thursday, Mbeki's legal adviser, Mojanku Gumbi, made a presentation to a special cabinet meeting detailing the presidency's options to challenge Judge Nicholson's judgment.

Gumbi apparently convinced the cabinet to hire a private legal firm to appeal against Judge Nicholson's inferences that Mbeki and his executive had interfered in the prosecution and that there might have been some substance to Zuma's claims of a political conspiracy against him.

According to a cabinet member, Manuel cautioned against using a legal strategy to a political problem.

"Manuel mainly argued for a political approach," said the cabinet member.

It is understood that public enterprises minister Alec Erwin was furious with Manuel and argued that the president should clear his name and that most ministers owed their political careers to Mbeki.

Another source confirmed independently that Erwin was angry with Manuel, accusing him of not defending Mbeki publicly.

"He sees Manuel as a sell-out, especially because of talk that the Zuma people want to retain him. Manuel never refuted such talk after Polokwane," said the source.

Manuel's spokesperson, Thoraya Pandy, said the minister would not comment on cabinet discussions.

But other ministers supported Erwin, with another privately telling The Mercury that the feeling was that "half" of them would resign with Mbeki, thereby "imploding the government".

"They will definitely stand by him," said the minister.

ANC ministers excused science minister Mosibudi Mangena, the president of the Azanian People's Organisation, and other government officials from Wednesday's cabinet meeting, to talk about the strategy.

The meeting continued late into the afternoon, when the decision was taken to rally around Mbeki.

Deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka - who was appointed by Mbeki after he fired Zuma in 2005 - has also indicated that she will resign if Mbeki goes.

Some of the new leaders in the ANC despise Mlambo-Ngcuka because they associate her with her husband, former national director of public prosecutions Bulelani Ngcuka, who was the first prosecutions boss to investigate Zuma.

If most of the cabinet ministers resigned, this would pose a political nightmare for the ANC because some of the national executive committee members, including Zuma, do not want to reconstitute the government because they are not ready to govern.

But the cabinet was warned by a senior government official that the legal route could be interpreted as a challenge to Zuma.

http://www.pretorianews.co.za/?fSectionId=3534&fArticleId=vn20080919054052169C702921
 
*sigh*

One bunch of bufoons replaced by another :(
 
lol, its good news seeing how incompetent they actually are. I for one would be happy to see all except Manuel resign.
 
lol, its good news seeing how incompetent they actually are. I for one would be happy to see all except Manuel resign.

Agree, the cleaners can stay as well, i'm sure they actually know the most anyway...
 
Better the devil you know... What makes you think the clowns that Zuma appoints will be much better then the clowns they replacing?
 
pistols at dawn.

this wont be good for our beloved country.
 
Better the devil you know... What makes you think the clowns that Zuma appoints will be much better then the clowns they replacing?

They won't but the confusion and self indulgence will be fantastic.
 
How delusional are these cabinet ministers? They actually think that their resignations would be a bad thing. They've ridden the gravy train for long enough, I guess its time for some new passengers. :sick:
 
It's not like they have a choice.

Once Zuma and his cronies comes into power they will get rid of all the anti-zuma's.
 
How delusional are these cabinet ministers? They actually think that their resignations would be a bad thing. They've ridden the gravy train for long enough, I guess its time for some new passengers. :sick:

The problem is the new passengers are even more corrupt thasn the previous lot! :sick:
 
the feeling was that "half" of them would resign with Mbeki, thereby "imploding the government".

I hardly think that getting rid of the likes of Manto, Ivy and Phumzile would implode anything.
 
And here in lies the problem with Malema and co's bid to remove Mbeki. They do not have the support of the cabinet. Most of the present cabinet did not make the ANC NEC, so even though the NEC may take the decision to oust him. They are not going to find a receptive audience at the cabinet.
 
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