I'm thinking of going back

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The whole reason for me quitting my job in the first place (JHB job) was to move to Cape Town and be close to family (and back then my gf)

Then I had this opportunity to travel overseas for a tax free salary. But it's a bitter-sweet victory (as I always wanted to do that) and had to move further away from family again...

In an effort to curb the lone-sharks (aka banks) I borrowed money here in Dubai to pay off my debt in SA so I can cover my monthly expenses easier and pay off the entire debt in 24 months at a very low interest rate that doesn't gobble up my entire salary (not even half) as compared to the 48 months it would take me paying it off like I was doing now in SA.

This all happend in the last month... but now I'm really burning to go back to SA, I know people are going to say that it's because I'm upset and I just should give it a few weeks and calm down and whatever, but I don't really want to.

So here's the thing, what do I do about my debt here in Dubai now? How can I explain this to the banks? If I just go back and not pay my debt I'll be flight-blocked so would never be able to travel overseas again.

Anyone know what options I have?
 
Sorry man.i to was in that situation,but not so far from home.Family always brings you back.COme home my son.
About the debt,i am sure you can pay it back here in SA.
 
In ZAR the amount is around R8.9k per month depending on the interest rate. With my current expenses (and tax) I'd have to take a high paying job to cover everything.

And I'm not sure if I want to offer up my life with the added stress the higher paid job brings. I'd sweep the streets for the rest of my life it means I'm closer to the people I care about and be able to survive...

Thanks for the positive comment. I'm looking at my options right now.
 
AcidRazor : I'll be the vague voice of reason... I'd stay in Dubai until you've managed to make more of a dent in the loan from the banks...

I was in a similar situation myself, was in JHB and packed it all in and moved back to DBN cos I was too far away from the people that mean the most to me. I have thankfully been lucky and been able to move back with a higher salary and now work for one of the best companies in Durban, so I kind of get the best of both worlds really and I count my lucky stars every day of the week really.

Would it not be possible to keep the debt in Dubai and service it from SA?
 
I have no idea, I guess I have to ask the banks that... I'm with HSBC this side so they might be able to transfer it?
 
I do know HSBC do have branches in SA, but I don't know if it is available to the average pleb on the street.

I would definitely go and investigate whether you can still keep the loan in Dubai and service it from SA... that might be the best option in the long run, and negate some of the issue you have with wanting to move back.
 
I would stick it out a bit longer but thats just me and i am a bit weird.
 
krycor : I wouldn't call it weird.. I'd say its just being prudent... esp if being there for a bit longer would help you get out of the debt trap a bit quicker
 
Live frugally for a year, pay off your debts, and then come back.
 
Anyone know what options I have?

Here are 2 along a similar note, although a little more drastic situation

Question:
I am considering declaring myself (as a private individual) insolvent. Please give me advice on this.

Answer:
Many people are under the impression that if they get into financial difficulty they can simply declare insolvency (the correct term is sequestration) and start with a clean slate. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If you have come to a point where your debt is out of hand and you just cannot repay it, you may have a choice between sequestration and debt counselling.

What are the pros and cons of each of these options?

The sequestration order.

You must apply for a sequestration order and it will not necessarily be granted. It depends on whether or not you own assets that can be sold to repay the creditors. There are costs associated with sequestration and your creditors will have to pay them out of your insolvent estate. If your assets are too small to cover the costs and bring in at least some money to the creditors it will not be worth it.

If you get a sequestration order your assets will be sold and each of your creditors who applies to be repaid will get a percentage. This percentage is expressed as a certain number of cents per Rand owed and is usually no less than 10 cents. The balance will be legally written off and this means you never have to pay it. For you this is probably the major benefit of sequestration — potentially getting up to 90 percent of your debt written off for good. There is also the peace of mind of knowing there will be no more harassment from creditors.

Creditors must make a claim against your insolvent estate and if they don’t their claims will be written off. Those who do make a claim will have to help pay the costs of sequestration. Only if there is any money left over will they share what’s left between them.

The best aspect of this option is that your creditors cannot keep coming back to you for more after they have made their claim and received their share. The only exception is if you suddenly start earning a substantial income that is considered to be significantly more than your monthly needs in which case some of that excess could be taken to settle your creditors’ outstanding claims. This rarely happens.

The downside of all this is that you lose your assets, have no control over how much they are sold for and you get none of the proceeds.

Debt counselling or administration.

Neither of these options allows any of the debt to be written off. You still owe the money. (I need to qualify this statement, however, because in the early stages of the debt counselling process, all indications are that the creditors may well agree to write off some of the capital or interest.) Debt counselling or administration simply allows the debts to be restructured and allows for payment to be made over a far longer time period, thereby decreasing the monthly instalment required. Unfortunately, in the long run you always pay more because interest mounts up.

The advantage of this approach is that it is possible that you can avoid losing everything this way. You may also manage to repay your creditors, get into a better position, bring down your expenses, perhaps get a better paying job and then pay more than is required. By doing this there is the potential that you might repay those debts once and for all rather than paying and paying and paying and not seeing any reduction in the amount still outstanding!

To summarize:

Sequestration allows you to write off some of your debt, perhaps even most of it, but you lose your assets. You will not be able to get credit again without the approval of the trustee (the person appointed by the court to manage your assets). You are very unlikely to get more credit and you will have to apply to be rehabilitated later, which isn’t that easy. It usually takes at least four years, meaning that for four years you cannot qualify for a loan or enter into any credit or financial agreements. Even once you have been rehabilitated you will battle to get credit for another five years (so that’s nine years all in all!) as the notice of rehabilitation which gets added to your credit record will discourage creditors from lending to you even though they are now allowed to. Also, you must first persuade your creditors that sequestration is the best option for them too. Because they pay something towards the costs, they can refuse to do this and then you have to go for the second option — debt counselling.

Debt counselling or administration means you keep your assets. However, someone else will decide how much you repay your creditors every month and they will only leave you with enough to live on. Stretching out your repayments in this way will help to make them more affordable and help you stay afloat. If you choose this route, try and find a way to reduce your monthly expenses so you can repay the debts faster. Consider moving in with family and renting out your house, sell your new car and buy an older one, sell as many possessions as you can (as long as they will bring in reasonable sums of money), etc.

The third option — do nothing, let your creditors take judgement against you and take your assets or a portion of your monthly salary. The consequences of this are a black mark on your credit record and you won’t be able to get credit. You will have sleepless nights for years to come, worrying whether the Sheriff will come knocking at any moment to take away your possessions. You may also have the Sheriff serve a garnishee order on your employer. This means they are forced to pay a portion of your salary directly to the creditor. This is very embarrassing and can reflect badly on your reputation at work. After all, this is personal information — not the kind of thing you want your employer or colleagues to know about. You may even have your home sold if the creditors cannot get enough by selling your other assets or garnishing your salary. Remember that most of your possessions lose value the moment you buy them, even your car. So your house, your one real asset, is at risk.
 
Well its easy for me to say that seeing how i am not really attached to much at the moment but yah as Velenoso says.. travel every so often. That will help.
 
Live frugally for a year, pay off your debts, and then come back.

There is something extremely liberating about living a simple, frugal life with a minimum of material posessions and obligations.

Wealth, posessions and debt can weigh one down terribly.
 
Very interesting post there Nanfeishen, I didn't know all that. Wish we had this type of info back in high school before we hit the working world.

AcidRazor, I suggest you stick it out for a year (2 would be best), yes it will be tough being away from family but conversely having a financial head ache even if you have family and friends around can be daunting and decrease your enjoyment of life and ultimately your happiness.

Why don't you talk one or two of your buddies/ family members into getting a job in Dubai? A bit drastic but a better option
 
stay in dubai for at least another 2 months. Then you can also say you lived through its hottest periods. Prepare to not be able to breathe very well. Your aircon is gonna run day and night ( if it doesnt already ).

then once youve done that, tuck youre tail between your legs and run, cause the grass is always greener on the other side
 
lol. I've been here since April. So been through the hottest period already. And yes, Aircon FTW, but I didn't mind the weather, not too bad and I loved it. People kept warning me about the summer but all those warnings went to **** because it wasn't as bad as they made it out to be.

I'm not sure what to do really. My aunt was my godmother as well, the burial is on Wednesday next week. I guess I can go past it when I come back end of this month for a visit.
 
There is something extremely liberating about living a simple, frugal life with a minimum of material posessions and obligations.

Wealth, posessions and debt can weigh one down terribly.

I only have my company laptop and my xbox360 and some clothes with me.

My clothes doesn't even fill the suit case I brought with me. I usually travel with only hand luggage.

I think I need new clothes...

Anyway, yea, debt sucks. I would never have bought the house if I knew the rental market at that time sucked so much. And I would have never bought a new car if I knew how many problems it would give me straight from the manufacturer. (GMSA sucks btw, don't buy from them)

a few mistakes down the line and before you know it you owe more than you earn or in my case, quit the job that was paying me more than I owed because the money didn't out weigh my soul being sucked out everyday.

Honestly, earning less and being with my family for 6 months I worried/stressed less about money and paying off my debt. Sure I was having a difficult time making ends meet but now that I have this opportunity to pay off my debt faster it's back to square one of the soul sucking job.
 
AcidRazor : Then my suggestion, is stick it out in the soul destroying job till your debt is cleared. Then come home...

You'll get to be with your family and not have the debt issue, and you will be able to appreciate your family a WHOLE lot more, and even spoil them.
 
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